Was Epstein Murdered?

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  1. Shirley Martin

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    I'm skeptical about that painting. It looks photoshopped to me.
     
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    From the linked Yahoo article... "Among the most unusual of works is an oil painting of Mr Clinton, dressed in a blue dress similar to the infamous one worn by Monica Lewinsky, and wearing red stilettos.

    Mr Clinton is shown lounging in a chair in the Oval Office, and leering at the camera.

    The painting was spotted by a visitor to the house in October 2012."
     
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    I think you are right. I was annoyed at the media spinning everything. When I saw the big list of those who are being accused of being involved, I
    hoped there was another side or angle to the story. It's hard to believe any of them would actually lower themselves to that standard, but chances are, many of them did.
     
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    Wow, and these are the kind of people who want to be in charge of our health care.
     
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    Some men have always been like that. Benjamin Franklin had 12 year old virgins brought to him so that he could deflower them. Because he was rich and famous, poor families considered it an honor for their daughter to be chosen. I'm sure they were rewarded.
     
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    According to excerpts form the autopsy report I read, there was evidence that he was strangled, not hung, so evidently he was murdered by strangulation, then hung to try to cover up the murder. All his blackmail material didn't save his life.
     
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    curious and curiouser

     
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    I read that, too. An interesting thing about the autopsy is that the same pathologist who was in the Epstein autopsy was the person who declared Kennedy was killed by the “magic bullet” to the back of his head.
    Michael Baden was also the pathologist for the Newton shootings, as well as Martin Luther King , Jr, and was involved in the OJ Simpson trial. I believe that there were other ones that I read, but these are the ones which come to mind right now.

    Edit to add WP article link:
    https://beta.washingtonpost.com/nat...-baden-jeffrey-epstein-autopsy/?noredirect=on
     
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    Here is an interesting painting done by the same artist, and this one is of former President George W. Bush.
    You can see symbolism for the fallen towers, and airplanes.

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    I am not sure about that, Yvonne. The pathologist who did Kennedy's autopsy would have to be at least 96 years old now. I don't see how he could stand at a morgue table.
     
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    I read that Baden was pretty much there to "observe" the autopsy. I don't know if he was at the Kennedy autopsy or not but he's up in age.

    "Chief Medical Examiner Barbara Sampson also noted that Epstein’s representatives have hired celebrity pathologist Michael Baden to conduct an independent autopsy and they were allowed to observe the autopsy. Baden, who served as the city’s chief medical examiner in the late 1970s, has made a career investigating high-profile deaths, including those of Michael Brown, who was killed by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, and former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez. Baden also testified at the murder trials of O.J. Simpson and Phil Spector. "

    Hmmm. "Celebrity pathologist" is a new one on me. :D
     
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    Late 1970s is different from 1963. It generally takes about 12 years of post-high school training to be a pathologist and even more to be a forensic pathologist. It would be very unusual for on to be certified before the age of 30. If they did an autopsy in 1963, he probably was born in 1933 or before, so he would be at least 86 and probably older. This citation lists three pathologists as being present at the autopsy, but none are Baden. I guess he could have been involved in the investigation, but he wouldn't have been considered an authoritative source at such a young (relative) age. The3 Post citation says he is 85, but I don't know when he was born. In any case, he could have been a stooge for the "let's put this to rest" folks around the assassination considering his young age at the time he would have been easily pressured, and the Kennedy autopsy was not considered done competently even at the time. That was one of the things that fed the conspiracies claiming cover-up.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_autopsy
     
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    It has been officially ruled a suicide so I guess that's that. Nothing to see so we can all move along.
     
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    He wouldn't have been a forensic pathologist by 1963 is my only point. He would have been a relative new grad. You might be able to finish a pathology residency in 3 years, but most don't. Usually takes 4 years I think. Even so, he wouldn't have bee qualified to issue an opinion on a presidential assassination. It would be like having someone out of law school a couple years serving on the Supreme Court.
     
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