This Coronavirus Problem

Discussion in 'Viruses' started by Thomas Stearn, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Ken Anderson

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    This is how I feel about this nonsense. It needs to end before it's too late.
     
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    Yvonne, I think Craig may be referring to this by NBC news investigative reporters.

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    All it seems to be saying, when you read past the insinuations, is that many of the states have not separated COVID-19 deaths in nursing homes from other COVID-19 deaths, which doesn't seem unreasonable, since the reporting hasn't been divided into where people were when they died. It's not that their deaths are being hidden, just that they aren't being reported in the way that the NBC news people would like them to be. Then again, had they been, NBC would probably be screaming about that.
     
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  4. Al Amoling

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    Our esteemed(??) governor here in Maine has deemed the Easter bunny an essential service. The comment that I've posted here was ridiculed as every level by the other posters.

    "We are experiencing the most draconian measures enforced at all levels of government that we've ever seen in our lifetimes, and yet rather than being alarmed by the things going on, so many of you applaud or are actively participating. This is not to say the virus is serious and has serious implications if we’re not careful because it does. However, we’ve already seen much, much lower numbers coming in. The numbers are wildly inaccurate. Fear spreading is in full force. Those make-shift hospitals are closing down without even so much as a patient being treated. EVERY person in the US who has needed a ventilator, has been provided with one. There is much discussion about this virus being here in the Fall and early Winter (remember that lingering “chest cold” and cough in December?) and many of us have already developed a herd immunity.

    People are being arrested for spending too much time outside, and some applaud. Pastors are being arrested for daring to hold church services, and some applaud. A child's birthday party is broken up by police, and some applaud. A young woman is ticketed for going on a leisurely drive alone because it's deemed "non-essential travel", and some applaud. A parade of school teachers and administrators who wanted to drive through neighborhoods and wave at children is busted up by law enforcement because they were "nonessential," and some applaud. A lone paddle boarder in the ocean on a beach without any other people around is arrested because he's violating quarantine orders, and some applaud. A man was handcuffed in front of his wife and 6 year old daughter and detained in the back of a patrol car for playing t-ball with his daughter (posted orders stated groups in park were limited to FOUR OR LESS. He was not in violation) and some applaud. Officers are ordered to use a license plate reader at a church service and registered owners are being threatened with a mandatory 14 day quarantine, and some applaud. People are being cited for watching the sunset inside their own cars at the coast.

    Meanwhile, states like California and New York are releasing THOUSANDS of inmates because of FEAR of the ‘rona infecting them. At the same time, gun stores are shut down and deemed “non-essential.”

    We’re ordering people not to assemble for religious purposes in places of worship (remember, 6 feet social distancing!) but we freely stand in long lines at Costco and cram into grocery and liquor stores (I see MANY LEOs and first responders at my Costco, freely associating with each other and “forgetting” the social distance rules.) I see friends on social media visiting each other at their homes (remember shelter in place!) but we’re chastising others for doing the same.

    People are being denied life saving medical treatments because they're not a priority right now (not "essential" as deemed by the government) as the entirety of our medical system is focused on one thing, and some applaud.

    Businesses are beings forcibly closed and padlocked and owners arrested for refusing to shut down, and some applaud. Dairy farmers (and soon, other farmers) are being incentivized to stop dairy farming and to sell their herds, and many don't seem to understand the implications.

    Some jurisdictions are ORDERING the wearing of a mask when out in PUBLIC.

    People are being told to use hotlines, online forms and apps, provided by your local governments, to report neighbors who don't obey, and they comply. You scold people day after day for not obeying government edicts, and if any of us dare to question what's happening, you lecture about how we're a danger to society and and we just don't care about people dying.

    You've somehow managed to convince yourselves that the people whose lives are affected by a virus are MUCH more important than the people whose lives are being destroyed (and in many cases, leading to death) by the effects of a worldwide economic shutdown and impending worldwide depression the likes of which no one has ever seen before. People are suffering and it’s not from the ‘rona!

    At what point will you start QUESTIONING what's going on? How far does the government have to push before you're jolted awake from your slumber? How far are you willing to go with this? How many of you remember your oaths?

    If they told you to load your families onto train cars so that you could be taken to Virus Protection Facilities for your own safety, would you do it? If you were ordered by the CDC or WHO to forcibly remove someone from their residence, for quarantine purposes, would you do it?

    YES. Yes, many would. That much has become painfully obvious. And the whole time, you'd be shaking your finger and yelling at those of us who refused, accusing us of being "a danger to society" and "not caring if people die."

    But they don't have to load you onto train cars and take you to Virus Protection Facilities, or force you to comply, because you do that voluntarily. They control your mind. They control you through fear. They control you by convincing you that the world is a scary dangerous place, but they're here to protect you, care for you, and keep you safe, just as long as you OBEY.

    They know that as long as you're locked inside your comfortable home with Netflix, Hulu, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and a cell phone, while dangling a $1200 check in front of you like a carrot on a stick, you'll comply. No force is necessary for the majority of the herd."
     
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  5. Cody Fousnaugh

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    Well, a $1200 check is better than nothing! If there are those that didn't put any money away for something like this, or an emergency, that can't be everyone's problem. People could've still had a nice home, vehicle, etc., etc. and still saved, but...…..

    I don't see the government controlling us at all. Only protecting us. There are those that can call it what they want, but there are also those that truly believe that the government is doing things right.

    We don't like the Stay At Home Order either, but, wife and I, as Seniors in our early 70's, don't want to get this virus and possibly die. We don't like "bucking the rules", so we do as recommended and ordered. I, myself, learned not to "buck the rules" while I was in the Navy, where the word "strict" is just a part of being in the Service.
     
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    It was announced last night that Los Angeles County is extending their Stay At Home policy into the middle of May. Will be some very unhappy folks in the County, but "oh well".
     
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  7. Al Amoling

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    Protecting us by arresting a dad playing catch with his daughter? Protecting us by chasing after a guy who's running down an empty beach? protecting us by giving tickets to people attending a drive-in church service? I hope when that train that Ken alluded to pulls into your station that you don't get on to be protected.
     
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    You have your feelings about all of this, as does Ken and some others, and we have ours. Let's just keep it at that.

    IOW, no arguing on Easter Sunday!
     
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  9. Martin Alonzo

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    Everyone laughs when you bring up 1984 the story about a world being total controlled telling you what you can do and what you can think. Well we are getting closer and everyone is participating you can not get on a bus without a mask but it is OK for the man who is throwing you off not to have a mask. You can not be on the beach even by yourself, you can not play catch with your daughter in the park with no one around. Where did all this control start from is fear promoted by the medical system and the media. The more we learn that the medical system is falsifying records to change the death records so the virus looks worse than it is. Non doctors Governors banning drugs that might be useful so more unnecessary deaths to raise the numbers. Who is really behind it we might never know but one candidate is front and center. Every sense POTUS said there will be cures coming for many diseases which would hurt drug sales. All of a sudden the medical system is now controlling the world using fear. There is a few awaken people know the real fear is in the medical monopoly if the people learn the truth
     
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  10. Cody Fousnaugh

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    Your point-of-view, but certainly not every ones. IOW, the same reply I just done to Al.
     
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  11. Al Amoling

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    A cluster of COVID-19 cases linked to Adelaide(Australia) Airport is continuing to cause headaches for health authorities.

    Six Qantas baggage handlers were diagnosed with the virus on March 31 - forcing themselves, their families and colleagues into self-isolation
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    About 750 Qantas staff have been ordered to self-isolate for two weeks over concerns the virus has spread among the workers.

    This may be calamitous as Qantas employs 26K Australian-based workers and provides an annual $A22b to the Australian economy.
     
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  13. Martin Alonzo

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    I am getting fed up with the medical system especially here in the D.R. they have had HCQ shipped in from India 50 thousand doses and they already had lot in the system as malaria is a disease here it this country. They have pulled all the HCQ from drug stores and back to the medical people but the infection and death rate has not changed. the excuse is they cannot give it out until a study which will take a long time. How many more will die while they do their study. You cannot go for surgery without a waver so they are not responsible. Why can we not let people who are sick sign a waver to take HCQ if they want it is their life.
     
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    upload_2020-4-13_15-29-6.jpeg Whilst guesstimating, how about guesstimating how many people have had the virus and are fully functional now!!
     
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    Other than what I’ve already written about, I have no problem with the virus. Actually, after I saw this video, I am somewhat embarrassed to have any problems at all.
    Libya is at war and Tripoli is the prize. People in Tripoli are told to distance themselves, wash, be clean and there’s a curfew mandating that they stay at home. To some, what home?
    If they have one today, chances are that by tonight it will have been hit with a bomb or missile and poof, no home and maybe no life.

    To me, it’s well worth the watch and maybe, just maybe we’ll all feel better about some of the small inconveniences we have to endure.
     
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