Let’s Talk About Socialism

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  1. James Hintze

    James Hintze Very Well-Known Member
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    I keep reading about how socialism is a slippery slope to communism. I'd be interested to know a few examples where that happened?
     
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    Trying to truly define Communism and Socialism in general terms is a fruitless venture since in their raw form no country has totally practiced either as their form of government.
    There are so many schools of thought basing themselves on the ideologies of both but just as some countries call themselves a Democracy, there are always twists to distinguish one idealism from another.

    I believe what most people view as Communism are the dictatorial aspects that come with a couple of schools of thought. Most certainly there at least a dozen different stylings of Communism just as there are with Socialism and not all of them are totally bad but still, they’re all a far cry from Capitalism and a Constitutional Republic.

    In my view, when the subject comes up one should ask, what types of Communism or Socialism do you fear just to get a better picture of what is being talked about.

    And not to be totally off topic, here is a list of our Presidents who were rather Communist friendly.
    https://historum.com/threads/most-communist-friendly-president-of-the-united-states.129341/
     
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    Lenin wrote: The goal of Socialism IS Communism.
    But hey, instead of going into a long diatribe, here’s a link that might help out.
    https://fee.org/articles/why-socialism-often-leads-to-tyranny/

    And again, to try once again to be on topic: The most well known Presidents who had / have Socialistic agendas are: Wilson, Roosevelt, Johnson and yes, in the lead with Johnson we have…., B. Obama.
     
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    Did Wilson's, Roosevelt's, Johnson's, or Obama's terms result in communism?
     
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    I don't see anything about Lenin in this article although plenty of people say things; that doesn't mean that they're true (or taken in context). That said, I also don't see what point you're making . Could you please explain? Thanks!
     
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    Maybe I missed it, but I asked for an example of such a country where socialism morphed into communism, Could you provide such an example?
     
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    Joyce we have several political parties and one is the Communist Party. I'll try to explain to you where I got my info of this kind of thinking is growing in America . One such faction is Antifa a communist marxist group along with other's.
    This is not new, We were warned by people like Joe McCarthy and others.
    Welfare is a sign on the Republic desolving into socialism then commnunism.
    I understand that I should prove what I'm claiming but it is also customary for those who question a claim to also prove the claim wrong .
    We are now basically under a dictatorship which also leads in that direction.Communist Party below endorced Biden.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/revolutionary-communist-party-head-vote-biden
     
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    Italy,Germany,Russia and China ,Korea's were basically communist. Anyway I did 'nt realize I would have to explain or prove history just for commenting.
     
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  9. Joyce Senior

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    Italy and Germany -- do you mean Fascist? And how was Russia under the tzar socialistic? Are you talking about North or South Korea? How was unified Korea socialistic before the North became a Communist state?
     
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    I see you didn't mention Medicare along with welfare. I'm just looking for clarification. Do you also consider that to be socialistic and moving us to communism? How about schools? We all pay for schools even if we don't have and never have had children in them. They definitely fall into the definition of socialism; do you believe they're leading us toward communism?

    I really don't understand how we're in a dictatorship. Can you please give me some specifics? Thanks! :) As I see it, just the fact that we can have a Communist party shows that we aren't a dictatorship; in a dictatorship, anyone who tried to oppose the ruling party wouldn't have any sort of platform outside of other prison inmates (assuming they'd remain alive).
     
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    Did any of the mentioned countries morph into communism slowly after adopting a socialist thing or two? One of my favorite examples is Norway. After the US helped engineer their of-shore oil, the government largely took it over. The government holds over two thirds of the stocks. Communist country? In Austria (where I lived for several years) the gov't owns the rail system, and everyone has health care. Communist?
    Do you believe that if Bernie S. had been elected our congress (if it still existed) would be working on nationalizing General Motors, Amazon, Costco, etc. etc.? Also, just curious...the German Democratic Republic (East Germany) while it existed was certainly communistic. (I wrote about it some time ago.) When was the rest of Germany communistic? Were Hitler and Mussolini communists?
     
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    Well last I looked Medicare is a paid insureance as is SSI by most Americans who actually worked for living. My husbands check was deducted hundreds a month for SSI Insureance.
    I can't help it if the socialist took it over and gave it to sloaths now can I?
    Long as we were based on capitalism we grew but no nation can support millions of people who refuse to feed themselves or their families.

    All the socialist nations in Europe should stop living off Americas protection welfare. Trump did put a stop to some of their freebees.
    We saved them in WW11 and would have to save them again if they were attacked today.But now that our military has been depleted of patriots and turned into Woke we are in trouble if another war broke out.

    Did you see the ad's for military reruitment from Russia and the Woke military ad for America,it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. How about the male recruits being forced to wear red high heels? Orthe national guard bowing to Antifa and BLM?



     
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  13. Marie Mallery

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    I can see how we are changing from capitalism to socialism. We let them haave our youth minds bodys andsouls.
    I like this new youth leadership growing now. It was at the Rally in Conroe Tx last night and gave us a little hope from the Woke.

    12 hours ago Youth Rally

     
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    Socialism weakens a naation. Sure ended The Roman Empire wjich was also a Republic till it brought in non republicans and weakend it resolve and citizenry and it was invaded by the Norse from the north.

     
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    Uncle! I didn't realize the can of worms I was opening. I stick by what I said but at same time don't feel like the putting up the research so it is just an opinion time will tell if its correct ot not.
     
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