Bad Vitamins?

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  1. Yvonne Smith

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    I have also been taking CoQ10 because it is supposed to help the heart. I get mine from amazon on subscribe and save usually, although I sometimes get them from Humana with their OTC program.
     
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    The major study that found that taking Vitamin E can increase the odds of developing prostate cancer was very poorly designed. I called the lead researcher, years ago, and we went over the design of the study. He admitted that I was onto something with my critique. Too much to get into, here, but the study was flawed. As with so many of these studies, the researcher moved on to something else, and never looked back. The name of the game is still publish or perish, and if you can get buzz, so much the better, never mind the science involved.
     
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    Yup. Second to that is "Arrive at the conclusions you are being paid to find, or you'll not get hired again."

    This stuff ties in with the "Alternate News Sources" thread, where people are hungry for knowledge, and for it we get taken advantage of. I feel as though my curiosity has been used to rape me my whole life.
     
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    Every day what is falsely called knowledge is leading multitudes to depression, anxiety, self-harm mostly thru medicine, and harming others throughout society.
     
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  5. Martin Alonzo

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    I don't know of any bad vitamins but there is a problem because most are now made by big Pharma. There is a lot of good supplement specially ones with high antioxidant capability like astaxanthin and others or things like Zeolite which traps heavy metals and removes them from the body
     
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    We've mentioned before that it got to the point where legal exposure is implied when a patient presents with "high" cholesterol (based upon the current standard) and the doctor does not put them on statins.

    I also mentioned that I pounded my numbers way down real fast when I was first diagnosed by abstaining from meat and substituting beans in all of their myriad forms, but I could only maintain that for about 6 months. You can take this as my confession here, since I lack the intellectual honesty to post it on Ken's "Medication Hesitancy-Responsibility" thread. I used to have ideals. But it is interesting that my levels responded that well (over 35 years ago) to a radical change in diet.
     
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    Yeah, it is "standard of care" now, but you can still refuse to take it, or just get the drugs and not ingest them. You sound comfortable with statins, so keep on them. It is curious, though, that you can control yours with diet if you choose to do so. Statins stop cholesterol production in the liver, not what is absorbed. There are supplements that compete for absorption. In college i came up with the idea of sex all night, sleep in the sun all day, and drink water softener to control cholesterol levels....
     
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    Funny cholesterol in medicine was never a problem until they found they can make billions of dollars on statins and demonizing natural fats that people used for thousands of years. The Inuit Eskimos eat nothing but fats and have a cholesterol level of 350 and have no heart problems and without cancer as well until they come south and start eating like everyone else. Natural path doctor say the cholesterol level should be 220-270 for good health.
     
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    Modern health problems are all due to the modern lifestyle with little or no exercise and processed foods, and modern medicine just pokes at this and that like cholesterol and blood pressure to treat the symptoms.

    In a historic cemetery near me lies Luke Swetland. He was one of the first settlers in the valley in the late 1700's and lived the lifestyle of the period which was felling trees for homes and clearing the land for farming. Occasionally they fended off the Indians who eventually captured him till he escaped and found his way back. He lived to be 93 and all without the benefit of modern medicine.
     
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    Amen.

    My doctor told me to go on The Mediterranean Diet, and I told him I would consider it, but it's The Mediterranean Lifestyle that drives their health outcomes more than their food does.

    ps: I'm sitting on my couch as I type this, not felling trees.
     
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    And many Alaska Natives have HDL cholesterol levels of 150 mg/dl or even higher if they are eating mostly the foods of their ancestors. You an I certainly agree on this, @Martin Alonzo
     
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