January 6th, 2021

Like the rest of us I think she believes the FBI had infiltrated the crowd to stir up and fan the flames so the criminals in the congress could never waste an opportunity to make something out of nothing. The government were all criminals spending millions of tax dollars to target Trump and finally in the end stealing an election. Whats to like or believe with so many so called politicians guilty of high crimes against the USA. What is to be believed is how fed up most of us conservatives are. We don't all belong to the Republican party or any party for that matter and we still share the belief these people that take our money should be above reproach when it comes to keeping the nation as one cohesive body of people regardless of their party they belong or favor. The democrats have failed miserably doing that and have sunken to attempted coup de tat and worse. If you believe a small crowd of people that were tried and convicted is bad wait until the real crowd shows. There is no way to know for sure how many but you can bank on 80 percent of veterans showing and at least half of the nation, or more accurately at least 35 million give or take a few million. We don't like being used or abused or targeted by a bunch of liberal behind wipes. I guess looking at who is in the white house today is satisfactory for some who don't read well or watch real news. One of the biggest political thieves is sleeping in the oval office on a couch.

 

I'd be interested in seeing videos of Capital Police unlocking and opening doors for the protesters. If you have a link for that, I'd like to watch it.

 

If I may Richard, no one has ever disputed the fact that there was some violence displayed on 1/6. Sadly though, according to the left wing media, that’s all there was is violence and also according to the AG, a half dozen cops were killed that day.
The truth is that there was only one death that day and that was at the hands of a Capitol Cop, not someone wearing a MAGA hat.

What should make you really wonder is the videos that were supposed to be revealed on the Fox News Tucker Carlson show. He said he would play all of them all week but only one, the video with the Shaman guy in it, was released. Why? Chuck Schumer openly said they shouldn’t be played and for whatever reason, the CEO of Fox complied with that demand.
Ask yourself:
Why, if the videos were all about the MAGA folks busting heads and breaking stuff, would Schumer demand that they not be shown? It seems to me that if they were that incriminating, they’d want all of the United States to see how terroristic Conservatives are.
I mean, with that kind of evidence, the 2024 elections would be in the bag for the Dems but that kind of evidence doesn’t exist and never did.

Remember: a partial truth and / or omitting part of the truth is still a lie.

 

During that day there was a great deal of confusion about what was happening. You are correct that no Capitol cop was killed that day, BUT 4 or 5 were beaten bloody by MAGA.

I'd like to remind everyone that Trump is primarily responsible for the riot. As Congress was in the process of tabulating ballots Trump gave a speech to the crowd and he got MAGA so worked up trying to convince them that the election was stolen by the Dems.

In any event, there is no excuse for what MAGA did that day. And some of the leaders have been tried and convicted of felonies.

We are allegedly a free and democratic nation. There is no room for violence to overturn an election. IF an election is truly rigged, there are peaceful ways of getting the count right.

Personally, I was a Republican/pro Trump prior to that day. Since then, Trump scares the heck out of me. MAGA scare's me even more. They remind me of the "brown-shirts" of the 1930's Germany.

 

Selected films, Richard. You watched a tiny fraction of the surveillance video. In fact, we all watched only a tiny fraction, because the videos shown by the news — and therefore by social media — were from that same batch.

The films that were originally published ALL show what happened at the west entrance, which is called the Public Entrance. The crowds at the east and north entrances were not in any of the videos that were making the rounds for the first two years after the incident.

There are two other "legitimate" entrances I know of: One of them is on the east side and the other on the north side. Protesters and tourists were at all three of them. Eyewitnesses at the other two gates said that the crowds there were not trying to muscle their way in.

It was not until March of 2023 that the full tranche of surveillance video of the Capitol were given to a few journalists.

If you've read this far, I'm happy. But I will add a few more things about the incident and the surveillance videos. Extra credit, if you will.

According to Just the News, a door on the West side of the U.S. Capitol was left open and mostly unguarded for key moments during the Jan. 6 riot, allowing more than 300 people to enter the building. Meanwhile, there were crowds at the other two entrances.

According to the Capitol Police, the CCV system captured more than 14,000 hours of footage between noon and 8 p.m. on Jan. 6. Those 14,000 or so hours were reported by the NYT which published a report on those videos, indicating that people entered the Capitol from at least 8 entry points, 5 of which were "previously unknown."

According to ABC News, in March 2023, House Speaker Kevin McCarthy gave Tucker Carlson exclusive access to nearly 42,000 hours of previously unreleased surveillance video from Jan. 6. Both Tucker and Speaker McCarthy also pegged the number of hours at almost 42,000 hours.

 

Oh Richard, Richard, Richard!

This is a transcript of last part of the speech President Trump gave that day:

“We’re going to walk down to the Capitol and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

Here is the full speech.

https://apnews.com/article/election...-siege-media-e79eb5164613d6718e9f4502eb471f27

I wanted to post the video of the speech, but I went to CNN, and WSJ, and ABC to grab the video. However, the supposed "Full speech" had been edited. The last part of the section I posted above was eliminated from the video. No wonder so many people believe the falsehoods told by the media.

 

I seem to recall that Trump ALSO ranted about "them" stealing the election in that speech. However, that could be from other speeches, and not from the one at the start of the march. One thing is for sure, Trump kept ranting, ranting, ranting about how the Dems were in the process of stealing the election.

One thing is for certain. That mob sure was fired up and broke into the Capitol Building in order to stop the counting of electoral ballots.

Do you not recall that Congress literally had to flee for their lives ?
That day MAGA was acting like some sort of 3rd world violent, chaotic nation. I'd expect that behavior from nations such as Iran or Afghanistan or Argentina , but never in America.

 

Counting the votes? Nope. Sorry Rich, that’s wrong too.

The Democratic party already knew that there was going to be an objection to at least 4 electors. Congress people in the Republican party had been openly planning the objection for two weeks prior to Jan. 6.
I know because the plan was discussed by a few Congressmen on the RADIO and I even knew who was involved in that plan ergo…so did the Dems.

Donald Trump was well aware of what Cruz, Tubberville and others were going to do and if the plan had been allowed to go through, D. Trump had a very large chance of winning that election.
Note: After an objection is posited, Congress takes a break from hearing the electors and goes into debate for a period of 2 hours and it was during that period of debate when Capital security told Congress that they were under attack and to get to their respective safe rooms.

Use just a little critical thinking and ask yourself: Why would Donald Trump want a riot to occur in the middle of a process that would probably have re gained him the oval office?
Trump may be a lot of things but he isn’t stupid by any means and to incite a riot that would stop a legal proceeding that might have been in his favor would be stupid.
And further, why would he want to start a violent coup when it’s almost impossible for a militaristic type of coup to take over the Capitol<White House? What good would a violent coup type action serve in the long run? Nothing. Nada. Not a derned thing.

The bottom line is that the only thing that makes sense is that the proceedings were shut down by a plan initiated by certain individuals in the Dem. party.
The debates wouldn’t have been shut down because of some peaceful protestors and looky-loos going into the Capitol building. It could only happen through violence.
Yes, there were a few Conservatives who got into the swing of creating violence but who lit that fuse? It certainly wasn’t Trump because he said to go and protest peacefully.

Seriously Richard…..ya just gotta quit watching The View and such. Just like Jerry Springer, left wing commentators are paid to spout nonsense and start crap.
And….just like those commentators, I am doubly sure that some bad actors associated with the Democratic Party made a bunch for inciting whatever violent actions that took place that day.

 

Just a note of observation:

When a person is watching a baseball game being played on TV, the only thing you see is what the camera is focused on. In other words, you only see what the narrators of the game want you to see.
If someone is up at bat, you only see the pitcher, the hitter, the ump and the catcher. That’s it. You don’t get to see all the fans and the other players on the field but to be exact, what a person is really focused on is the guy swinging the bat because that’s what the camera is focused on.

What everyone sees on left wing media productions of the Jan 6 event is only what they want folks to see. There could have been a little girl selling daisies but no one would know it because that wouldn’t fit the narrative that the left wing media wanted to be seen.

That one video of the Shaman being led through the Capital building by the Capital police didn’t fit the narrative that the left wing media nor the Dems in high places wanted everyone to see hence the reason why the rest of the proofs of non-violence being omitted from public observation.

Left wing Propaganda? Yup.

 

I think it is high time we put this issue to bed. Let's just ignore the 1,030 people who were convicted , or plead guilty, in the Jan 6th riots and given sentences of up to 18 yrs in prison.

The rioters were not Oath Keepers nor Proud Boys, they were FBI agents disguised as rioters. Actually, there was no riot. It was just a large prayer meeting.

The entire thing is simply made up by the left wing media.

There, we are now all in agreement.

 

Would help if you understood the meaning of the word propaganda.

 

Richard, you’re being ridiculous and there’s no call for it.
As though it was some sort of a sinful thing, you are refusing to use any amount of reasoning that may lead you to any other conclusion other than the ones that the MSM has outlined just for extremely biased folks like you.

Again, no one has said that there wasn’t any violence. Again, no one has said there was no one on the Conservative side that didn’t commit violence.

That said let’s do talk about the majority of those who were hunted down and arrested by the FBI…..
Let’s have you dragged from your home or job and then place you in isolation for a year or so and then let’s see what you will be willing to plea into.

And….yes, just as the Russia / Trump conspiracy was motivated by Hillary Clinton with the left wing media right on her rear end, much of what you are willing to acknowledge as true is simply a media spin motivated by a political agenda.

NOTE: Joe Biden said that he wanted to make sure that Trump couldn’t run again. The Russia thing was proven false, his part in the Jan. 6 violence has been proven false so now Biden and the AG are going for a conviction for treason which we will eventually and undoubtedly find is false also.

Get it through your head Richard……it’s all POLITICS and some pretty shabby 3rd world politics at that.

 

This whole thing is similar to a discussion about the assassination of JFK. Some folks believe it was a gov't conspiracy, some believe it was a lone gunman. The "truth" whatever THAT is, we will never know with any certainty.

I say , let people believe whatever they want.
I'm all done discussing it.