Sudden Onset, Whole Body Muscle Pain

Discussion in 'Health & Wellness' started by Thomas Windom, Nov 5, 2023.

  1. Don Alaska

    Don Alaska Supreme Member
    Task Force Registered

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2018
    Messages:
    11,661
    Likes Received:
    21,553
    I thought of the other electrolytes too, @Bobby Cole but a sodium deficiency is very rare, especially not in the summer. Potassium can do it too, but magnesium is the most common cause.
     
    #16
  2. Faye Fox

    Faye Fox Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2019
    Messages:
    6,086
    Likes Received:
    12,259
    Two key important symptoms I read in the OP, are the body pain started in the neck and now glands in the neck are sore.

    I hope you can see a doctor REAL soon, @Thomas Windom Please insist on a blood test including a PSA and listen to your wife. If your neck glands stay sore, then insisting on a neck scan might be a good idea. Important glands in the neck are, thyroid, parathyroid, salivary, and lymph. A sore neck and sore glands could be from several things, some less devastating than others, but always should be taken seriously if they continue over a period of time that would rule out a virus.

    Hopefully, you are better now, Thomas, and you get this resolved soon and can take measures to prevent any reoccurrence.
     
    #17
    Thomas Windom likes this.
  3. Mary Stetler

    Mary Stetler Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    May 30, 2021
    Messages:
    6,444
    Likes Received:
    12,029
    Sounds like a friend of mine's problems. Her doctor finally decided it was a ---------itis. It is inflamation of the epithelial cells lining her blood vessels. She was put on a heavy dose of steroids to be reduced over time. Not sure how it will turn out. First they thought it was cluster head aches until it went down her whole body.
    ????
     
    #18
    Bobby Cole likes this.
  4. Mary Stetler

    Mary Stetler Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    May 30, 2021
    Messages:
    6,444
    Likes Received:
    12,029
    If it is on your right side of the neck it could be your liver. See my boyfriend, Dr Berg, youtube.
     
    #19
    Bobby Cole likes this.
  5. Thomas Windom

    Thomas Windom Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2022
    Messages:
    1,810
    Likes Received:
    3,061
    Thanks. I have an appointment with a physiatrist in about a week, earliest I could get. Feeling a bit better today. And welcome back, nice to see you here again.
     
    #20
    Faye Fox and John Brunner like this.
  6. John Brunner

    John Brunner Senior Staff
    Staff Member Senior Staff Greeter Task Force Registered

    Joined:
    May 29, 2020
    Messages:
    23,596
    Likes Received:
    33,887
    Good news it's going the right direction!!!

    I've never been to a physiatrist. I'm curious the hear your experience.
     
    #21
  7. Faye Fox

    Faye Fox Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2019
    Messages:
    6,086
    Likes Received:
    12,259
    Your feeling better is a great sign and certainly indicates a condition that a physiatrist can address. My visit many years ago to a neurologist/physiatrist proved to be a turning point. She was able to not only diagnosis my nerve problems being from shingles damage, especially my brain nerve damage, that led other neurologist to diagnose me with MS, but she resolved my systems inability to use certain vitamins and minerals in pill form.

    She put me on liquid oil capsules for flaxseed, D and E and in large doses. I started with mega doses and still today take heavy doses of all twice daily. I occasionally take a liquid magnesium capsule in times of severe muscle seizures or if I have to use an antiacid like Omeprazole.

    Please let us know what the doctor finds as the cause of this sudden onset. With you now feeling better, it could have just been a viral assault of some kind, perhaps stress related. Moving at our age can be more stressful than we realize.
     
    #22
  8. Thomas Windom

    Thomas Windom Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2022
    Messages:
    1,810
    Likes Received:
    3,061
    Thanks Faye. The better didn’t last long so I called my regular doc to see if he can do something in the meantime. I see him later today. He asked over the phone if I had ever been diagnosed with anxiety (no) and then asked if I had noticed any tick bites recently (not that I know). I always check when I come in from work because deer sleep in the yard all the time but some ticks are really hard to see. We’ve had a bumper crop of acorns and have had 2-5 deer just about every other day chowing down on them.

    MS makes my problems seem minor. I honestly don’t know what to think about the video I’ve attached below. She’s an M.D. and I saw that she presented at the local Neurosciences meeting some years ago, so there are certainly some people that take her seriously. The other thing is that, maybe a bit difficult for some to do, I can not see any down side to what she suggests. Anyway, I thought it was an interesting video.

     
    #23
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2023
  9. Faye Fox

    Faye Fox Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2019
    Messages:
    6,086
    Likes Received:
    12,259
    Sorry to hear your relief was short lived. It sounds like you doctor is on the right track and sure glad you can get in today. It sounds like your doctor is starting the process of elimination, ruling out things like Lyme's, Lupus, etc., that are known to cause nerve disorders. A complete blood test will help rule out a lot of possible causes. Years ago when I underwent all that testing, they took so much blood I passed out. I hadn't done that before and haven't since. How are the glands on your neck? That concerns me, especially if the lymph nodes are effected.
     
    #24
  10. Thomas Windom

    Thomas Windom Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2022
    Messages:
    1,810
    Likes Received:
    3,061
    They’re still sore, especially if I turn my head. Still no fever though so that part mystifies me.
     
    #25
  11. Thomas Windom

    Thomas Windom Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2022
    Messages:
    1,810
    Likes Received:
    3,061
    So, saw my regular doc and he is very suspicious of one thing. I had never heard of it but he said my symptoms for it almost exactly match. I have to go back for some tests to see if they can confirm it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymyalgia_rheumatica
     
    #26
  12. John Brunner

    John Brunner Senior Staff
    Staff Member Senior Staff Greeter Task Force Registered

    Joined:
    May 29, 2020
    Messages:
    23,596
    Likes Received:
    33,887
    Well. We always want a diagnosis, but not necessarily something this obscure. From what I read, standard treatment seems to always be low dose corticosteroids for an extended period of time, and they seem to provide near-immediate relief.

    Did your doctor draw blood, Thomas, or is that what you're going back for?

    Man. I hope they nail it down quickly. And I'm glad you got in to see the guy soon after symptoms set in.
     
    #27
  13. Faye Fox

    Faye Fox Veteran Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2019
    Messages:
    6,086
    Likes Received:
    12,259
    Your doctors suspicions sound spot on, but what is the underlying cause of your rheumatic disorder? I hope your doctor orders a comprehensive metabolic blood panel with PSA. It isn't uncommon for folks over 60 to have "rheumatism" that comes on suddenly and the underlying cause be cancer. The most common in senior men being prostrate and in senior women, breast.

    Whether cancer and rheumatic disorders are related or just coincidence in seniors is a subject for debate among medical scientist, both MD and PhD. What is known is that sudden onsets of rheumatic disorders have an underlying cause with virus and cancer being leading suspects.

    Concerning virus, the Varicella Zoster, can cause sudden onsets of rheumatic symptom's without ever breaking out in sores called shingles. This is common in seniors and goes undiagnosed for the most part and labeled as "fibromyalgia." If measures are taken to strengthen the immune system, then the zoster virus caused "rheumatism" can be improved to a tolerable level and blisters never break out.

    It is my opinion that rheumatic disorders are related to weak immune systems which are very common as we age. A weak immune system is an open invitation for cancer to flourish. I think the aged weaker senior immune system is the link between virus, cancer, and rheumatic disorders in us older folks. I know it is in my case.

    Interesting read for scientific minds

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8536426/
     
    #28
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2023
    Don Alaska and Thomas Windom like this.
  14. Thomas Windom

    Thomas Windom Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2022
    Messages:
    1,810
    Likes Received:
    3,061
    Yeah, I’m headed back today for tests. Unfortunately, there are no definitive tests, merely indicative but, if he puts me on prednisone and the symptoms quickly clear up, I guess we’ll know for sure. I’ve been reading a lot about it since I had never heard of it. Apparently it’s not too uncommon among elderly caucasians and the cause isn’t known. I’m very anxious to be rid of the pain. I guess I won’t be getting down on the floor with the kitties until it clears up. I got down this morning when feeding the kitties and my wife had to help me get off the floor. The pain is pretty bad.
     
    #29
    Don Alaska and John Brunner like this.
  15. Thomas Windom

    Thomas Windom Very Well-Known Member
    Registered

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2022
    Messages:
    1,810
    Likes Received:
    3,061
    Agree, interesting read, actually almost weird. I do have some BPH so they’ve been watching my PSA over the years.
     
    #30
    Don Alaska and Faye Fox like this.

Share This Page