Trump 2024

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  1. Mary Stetler

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    Never said he was normal. But We were not in wars with Trump, providing weapons around the world to support our war machine industries to make up for the money sent to Ukraine which BIden and his family got back in kick backs. But Biden was a career politician and like all of those, they only want to be re-elected to stay on the teat and for the perks. Pelosi was a HUGE insider trader, as were many of your elected officials, as she knew of legislation and actions from her position. Biden, like LBJ made horrible laws to keep blacks victims but then had the gall to claim they weren't black if they did not vote for him.
    Trump did not want to be president. He did not take any salary while in office. He may have gotten notoriety which he definitely likes. But he loves this country. He has put up with more crap since entering the ring, because of this, and has more strength than anyone I have seen there. He will stand for us, literally and figuratively, even you. And he will have to stand against all the career politicians, the WHO, the UN, Nato...to bring things back into balance.
    Harris was corrupt from the beginning. Billie Brown? She stands for nothing but herself and got her start by being 'kept' on the side of his marriage. And she is the chameleon doing and acting as she needs to to sway people. Which means others will actually be in charge if she were President, just like with Biden.
    You can look at the police records of your elected official and find hundreds of them don't pay their taxes and/or make laws which exempt them from every law they pass for us. Look at healthcare.
    You showered with your little daughter? You expected the same as your characteristics from your elected official as yourself, Biden. Her diary came to light.
     
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  2. Ed Marsh

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    Good morning to all-
    Ms. Stetler-
    Every elected official I know of has weaknesses, bad choices, sins- whatever you choose to label their actions. I don't trust ANY politician very far at all.

    But the former occupant is far beyond any other elected President as far as bad choices, bad actions, bad behavior goes. He has lived a life of privilege and advantage that "normal" people don't have and never will have, because we don't have millionaire parents who make sure we get every advantage whether we earn it or not. tRump has learned that rules don't apply to him, and that he gets to do whatever he chooses to do and that is his core and center of his life and his decision making- His world comes down to " What do I want?-" that's his center.

    And the main thing I find unacceptable about tRump is his language. He lies, and he lies, and he lies.

    No politician, just like no person, is perfect, but some are less perfect than others, and tRump is the least perfect of all.

    you all be safe and keep well- Ed
     
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  3. Ken Anderson

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    Very few Democrats know enough about whatever they oppose or support to be able to discuss them beyond talking points prepared and disseminated by someone else, and insults. Rather than thinking, they blindly support, protest, or vote for whoever or whatever they're told. They don't challenge their brain. I suppose it's easy on the brain to be a Democrat, although I don't know that the lack of exercise is good.
     
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  4. Ed Marsh

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    Good afternoon to all-
    Mr. Anderson-
    Perhaps what you say about Democrats is true. I suspect it's also true for Republicans . But in neither case does it apply to me. I am not a Democrat, and I certainly am not a Republican. I make my own decisions and I vote for the person who best represents my views. I do not "blindly support" anyone or any party.
    And with all due respect to you, sir, I expect that I "challenge my brain" whatever you mean by that phrase- as much or more than you do.

    And I repeat, I have not in any way insulted anyone on this forum. If folks here find my thoughts and words insulting, perhaps the fault lies with them and not with me.

    And I repeat, We can do better.

    you all be safe and keep well- Ed
     
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  5. Mary Stetler

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    Orange Man Bad.
     
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    Good afternoon to all-
    Ms. Stetler-
    That's a very interesting response you have there. What exactly does it mean?

    you all be safe and keep well- Ed
     
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  7. Mary Stetler

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    You know what it means and at this point, it is not really worth discussing ...
    You have things to say.
    You claim all about his lies. What are they and have you done due dilligence?
    Russian collusion was disproved after allllll sorts of taxpayer money and misleading information to turn people against Trump was spent.
    This man was rich and a playboy. But he said women sidled up to him so much that he could have easily grabbed their pu**ies. Not that he did it. Yes he uses language I would not.
    He was hauled into court, gagged etc for over stating the value of real estate holdings. I don't know about your real estate dealings but you can claim any value on your property you want. If someone wants to pay it, OK. If you want a loan, the bank does it's own due dilligence before lending money. The loan was repaid long ago and no one was injured.....
    The woman he supposedly raped laughed about it and questioned the meaning of rape on a talk show...
     
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  8. Ed Marsh

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    Good afternoon to all-
    Ok, Ms. Stetler, here are some of my objections to the former occupant and his efforts.

    First, his idea for a "beautiful wall" on the southern border was ridiculous. Anyone who has any knowledge of the border between the US and Mexico knows that there are very few places where large groups of people could transit safely. Most of the border is truly a good place to go to die. Very inhospitable and dangerous. The crossings are all walled and restricted already, and tightly controlled. His "beautiful wall" was a very expensive, worthless tribute to tRump- not a security effort..
    Next, his misdirected and erroneous words during the Covid pandemic did not in any way improve our medical treatments and vaccination efforts. His badly understood efforts to play down the CDC and its efforts to help Covid victims was detestable. tRump made a very bad situation much worse, and sick people paid for it.
    Next, his attitude toward Putin and his governing style showed little understanding of what a criminal and thug Putin is. I expect tRump was jealous and envious of Putin's situation.
    Next, his encouragement and direction of the band of thugs and traitors who invaded the capitol was the act of a selfish and evil man. He sent them to invade and he bugged out to safety.
    Of course, there are the many charges of sexual misconduct and of course, his trial where he was found to be a felon. And he has a multitude of outstanding charges, also.

    And finally, his repeated and totally inaccurate claims of election rigging and fraud have made those who support tRump work to undermine our election system and do whatever is necessary to keep tRump in a position of power despite no findings of any kind of election misconduct being found.

    What we have is a continued and continuing set of behaviors that show the former occupant is a consistently selfish, dishonest, misdirected man with a great deal of power from his position and who shows no effort to do anything beneficial for anyone else- not even those poor folks who work to support him. Look at the people who supported him the most and were closest to him- most are either dead broke or in jail.

    Love the former occupant if you will, but I see him for what he is- a very, very bad man.

    you all be safe and keep well- Ed
     
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  9. Ken Anderson

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    I lived there for over twenty years, teaching and working as a paramedic.

    Agreed. He never should have given Dr. Fauci a platform upon which to mislead people, and the vaccine likely did far more harm than good, but the Biden Administration doubled down on that. IMO, Trump's biggest failure was, as I have said before, giving Dr. Fauci far too much control over the last several months of his term in office. But, as he has done in other cases, aware that he was not an expert, he put far too much trust in the "experts."

    He did a much better job of keeping Putin in line than the Biden-Harris administration has done.

    These just demonstrate your willful ignorance of the facts, and are not worthy of a response.
     
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    Earlier today two forum friends (from other forums) asked me basically
    the following question.

    Does SeniorsOnlyClub lean Left, Center, or Right on the Political Spectrum?
    They are thinking of joining this forum and trying it out.

    SO my reply to them was: I suggest you sign up and check things our for
    yourself, you will be the best person therefore to answer your own question.
     
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    Good evening to all-
    Mr. Anderson-

    My points demonstrate the truth of what I have seen in the past few years, and you cannot respond because you cannot say anything of any value which adds to your stated opinion.You believe what you want, and I'll believe what I see as the truth. I don't care a bit if you understand or agree with my opinion. My opinion, despite your feelings on the matter, are not based on "willful ignorance".
    Apparently we see the same things that have happened in our country from very different points of view. So be it. I respect you and your opinion, and I would like to think you would return that respect. but that's a lot to expect, I'm afraid, from folks who support that vile man who has done so much to diminish and hurt our country- tRump.

    We can do much better.

    you all be safe and keep well- Ed
     
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    Well, it just shows how mis informed he is. He could have researched anywhere to find how broken the border is. He can easily find pix and videos of the miles of wall that Trump was not allowed to finish by the Democratic legislature. Research New York, Chicago, Denver... any of the sanctuary cities. Insane amounts of Money and perks are given to tens of millions of illegals who will be used as pawns eventually, while our own poor and vets get comparatively nothing to help their plight.
    If they left the videos up, you will find that Trump said the people had the right to go to the capital and PEACEFULLY demonstrate against election fraud which we had at least three verifiable cases in just my state and there were more brought up in other states over the last administration's time which were not investigated. Trump offered the National Guard to Nancy Pelosi and she turned it down. Then there are instances where the crowd was goaded on by federal representatives. The one death was caused by her trying to stop the people because they had broken windows but she was knocked down and dragged INSIDE by guards. The people were incarcerated without charge, treated worse than war criminals and after a couple of suicides found not guilty.
    The Senator who pulled the fire alarm was not even charged and he was not in any danger. PS pulling a fire alarm without fire is a crime.
    You could have watched the actual footage before it was pulled down. They still won't allow us to see it in its entirety, only parts pulled out of context.
    People are still dying from covid TREATMENTS--look up excessive deaths in any country you like. So many people who did not die treated themselves with high doses of vitamin d3 and ivermectin was used in countries denied vaccine. In middle Africa, covid was a small problem because they use ivermectin for various parasites as a standard course. It is not a dangerous horse paste. People lost their jobs, under Biden, children lost years of their youth from no school attendence, What was done in the name of science was terrible. But the CDC is not as bad as the WHO will be under Harris.
    You can't tell another how to run their country. But you can have dialogues with them, which Trump did with Putin, Xi and Un. However, no spy balloons from China were allowed to fly totally across our country under Trump, nor were thousands of acres of land sold to China nor was there a Russian nuclear sub off the coast of Cuba...
     
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  13. Ken Anderson

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    @Mary Stetler, some people aren't interested in the truth. This is true of those on both sides, although more so on one than the other. They signed up for a team and will root for their chosen team, regardless. They'd rather just believe whatever propaganda their team is sending their way. Not everyone is interested in exercising their brain.
     
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  14. Ed Marsh

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    Good evening to all-
    Mr. Anderson,
    Based on this most recent post of yours, I must say that we do agree on something. You make some very good points in this post, and I appreciate them.

    Of course, I do expect that we'd disagree on who this post best focuses on, but set that to one side. Our country is so divided right now, and that is the fault of both major parties. it's in politicians' best interest to keep regular folks at each others' throats and much of the anger is based on misinformation and downright lies, again, coming from both sides.

    I don't trust any politicians, but some I trust much less than others.

    you all be safe and keep well- Ed
     
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  15. Mary Stetler

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    It is the main stream media that we have depended upon for so long. Now that alternative sources are available, terms like fake news and conspiracy theories are thrown around. Some refuse to look in different directions for information.There has always been division. So we have been advised not to talk religion or politics. But so many new divisions have been added to things the last couple of decades by design. Soros and the WEF will win if we can't see the forest for the trees.
     
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