Trump 2024

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  1. Jacob Petersheim

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    A shocking broadening of the "tent" by Trump.

    This matters in SE Michigan. Dems have been walking away with it for decades.
     
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    We shall see. And Democrats don't react nicely when they get abandoned. I wonder if Barrack Hussein Obama might step in.
     
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    One announces, but how many feel the same and are flying under the radar?
     
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    When did mayors start endorsing presidential candidates? Does anyone care?

    Similarly, I have worked in union jobs/job sites most of my working life. Not a single union member that I knew ever gave a happy damn which candidates the national union was endorsing... they were still individuals with their own opinions and voted for whomever they pleased. So in my limited experience, the "endorsement" of the UAW is a giant nothing burger. Kind of like celebrity endorsements. Meh.
     
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    Generally, no. What makes an endorsement from the Hamtramck, Michigan mayor significant is that Hamtramck is the only Muslim-majority city in the United States, and the most densely populated city in Michigan. While not part of Detroit, Hamtramck is completely surrounded by Detroit, except for a short border with Highland Park, which is itself otherwise surrounded by Detroit, typically a Democrat stronghold.

    That was my experience as a Union member in California, but here in Maine, as I mentioned in another thread not long ago, people are still voting Democrat because they identify as Union members twenty years after the mill closed. They kept the Union Hall open a decade after the mill closed and it also served as the Democrat headquarters in election years. That is finally beginning to change but there are still a lot of Democrat votes from people who don't support the Democrat agenda, just because they identify as Democrats.
     
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    I may be wrong, but I think the union endorsement shows where the Union money is going. It isn't supposed to tell the rank-and-file who to vote for, although it once did that.
     
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    When I was in the UPIU, we would get voting recommendations from the national union by mail, but both myself (the VP of our Local) and the President of our Local were Republicans and national elections never came up at our meetings.
     
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    Did your union make financial contributions? Part of the struggle going on within unions now seems to be members not wanting their dues, or part thereof going to Democrat campaigns.
     
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    I always assumed that the national union did so, but our local did not.
     
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    The IRS union endorsed Harris/Walz. Endorsements and donations may well go together. I see both as a statement on who to vote for if you follow the group making either.

    As to local mayors if mine made an endorsement for any candidate I would vote for the other guy. But a Muslim mayor endorsing a Republican candidate is huge news and may well be the biggest clue to what will happen in Michigan.
     
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    Probably true in a lot of cases, but voting D because of historical "party of the working man" doesn't really have anything to do with a union endorsement one way or another. If the UAW had endorsed Trump, the die-hard old school union democrats wouldn't change.

    I'd like to see a limit on political contributions.
     
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    That's probably true, or at least I hope so. Although I'm sure some people look to organizations or other people to directly tell them how to vote, I have difficulty picturing it. Despite his faults, I think Trump has the potential to be the best president in my lifetime if he keeps his word in a second term, but I wouldn't vote for someone just because he endorsed them. In fact, his endorsements suck so badly that I'd probably reconsider voting for someone if he endorsed them. Imagining that someone would vote for someone because a celebrity or a labor union suggested it makes me want to puke. Someone who can't decide for themselves who to vote for shouldn't be allowed to vote, but enforcing that one might be difficult.
     
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    I do think the UAW has local chapters but is a national organization. I think it includes our Mercury Marine plant and it donates.
    Ya know what I think is odd? Here in town there are not as many signs and banners as usual. Yes there are a few but not as many as I would have thought would be out considering the emotions this election is supposed to raise. And with caller id, many are not answering the poll calls. I think I've been getting three a day.
    For me I am definitely voting but I am not participating in polling nonsense which some think sways voters. My friends are mostly republican and they don't answer their phones either. If it holds true for many, the polls say nothing.
    I am happy if the Muslim community is putting itself out there via the Mayor. It may show the country if not the world that Trump is uniting rather than dividing us. He has definitely influenced some African Americans and legitimate Latinos to join together under his banners.
    Keep praying because corrupt forces are still out there.
    Now if we could only get the Teachers Union...
     
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    But are they? I don't know if the mayor is speaking for anyone other than himself.
     
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