A Gun-free America

Discussion in 'Politics & Government' started by Hal Pollner, Jul 25, 2018.

  1. Tex Dennis

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    Just want to share some interesting facts with fellow LTC holders. Responsible gun owners, especially carry permit holders, have the lowest crime rate of any population group. The police committed 103 crimes per 100,000 officers, while the general population committed 3,813 per 100,000 people, 37 times as much as the police crime rate. In 2017, only 165 out of over 1 million Texas License to Carry permit holders were convicted of crimes. So yeah, I would trust fellow Texans with LTC more than any other demography groups.
     
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  2. Tex Dennis

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    The real truth here we rarely ever see OC, what is so surprising to me are the new knife laws here, great!
     
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  3. Frank Sanoica

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    @Don Alaska "Open Carry makes one a target."

    Exactly what I meant. Twice over a target either to be used as a target, or targetted for theft of the firearm.

    However, I seem to doubt the ability of a bear to recognize a firearm as a threat to itself! How smart are they?
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  4. Ken Anderson

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    They, particularly the black bears, are smart enough to recognize people as a threat despite the fact that the average human being would not be a physical threat to the average bear if not for our habit of carrying weapons when visiting the forest. Think about it. Despite the fact that black bears are fairly numerous in many parts of the United States, black bear attacks are very rare. When they do occur, the attacks are almost always in state or national parks, where people carry food rather than weapons into the forest.

    There is a rather large black bear that frequents our land up north. Because I have wildlife cameras attached to trees, I know that he sometimes follows me through the woods when I am there, largely because I often leave apples near my cameras. Yet, in about ten years of traipsing through the woods, I have only actually seen that bear twice, and I saw another bear once, and each time only for a few seconds.

    This bear weighs several hundred pounds, yet he's afraid of an old fat man who sometimes can't even walk through the forest without falling down. Why?

    I think the answer to that is that he has learned, through generations of people hunting the woods, that people can be more dangerous than they look.

    Or maybe he just knows that I probably won't bring him any more apples if he eats me.
     
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  5. Don Alaska

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    Bears generally are not a threat to humans unless they learn to associate humans with food, but there are always errant bears who learn to PREY on humans--then the usual attitude toward bears doesn't apply. We just had a case here where a brown bear/grizzly was lying in wait for the passing humans. He killed and ate at least one person. When a search party went out looking for the guy who was overdue, the searchers were mauled as well, though not fatally. There was a big search for the predator bear, and I think they (the State Dept. of Fish and Game) killed 4 bears in the area and sent the stomach contents for DNA to see if any of them had human DNA in their stomachs. I haven't heard the results. Bears have caused us very little trouble here. but they are in the area. They pass through (mostly black bears) and have never even taken our livestock. One of my sons lives closer to the mountains, and his neighbor lost his entire flock of chickens one night, and my son had a brown bear in his yard this morning. Bears know what weapons are if they have ever been shot at, and recognize rifles for sure. On one hunting trip, when we were glassing a hillside. we saw some poor guy on his four-wheeler riding on a trail. Just below the crest of the cliff upon which the trail was located, a large brown bear was following the four-wheeler and obviously stalking the man. I never heard that he was killed, so I assume he outran the bear, or the bear lost interest. Bears are very intelligent predators--probably the smartest predator out there, although a wolf pack is probably more dangerous when they are hunting.
     
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  6. Hal Pollner

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    A polite society is one in which everyone knows that everyone else is armed.

    Hal
     
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  7. Yvonne Smith

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    Today, I read something really interesting that I would like to share. It is about a small town in Eastern Washington that is deciding whether to become a sanctuary city. However, the reason that they are considering this has nothing to do with wanting to shelter illegal aliens and criminals.
    I have an online friend who lives in the small (tiny) town of Republic, and the last thing that I had read from his facebook page was about their police chief not wanting to enforce the new gun laws that are going into effect in January.
    I just could not resolve that with the news that they were thinking of becoming a sanctuary city; but apparently, it is because of the gun laws that they want to make the change, because then they are not bound by the new gun laws.
    My friend there said that they will be having a city counsel meeting about this, to decide what they want to do,and he said he expects that to be a very interesting meeting !
    Here is the news article about this:

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...becoming-sanctuary-city-to-protect-gun-rights
     
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  8. Martin Alonzo

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    Taking away guns only prevents innocent people from protecting themselves. A look at England no guns but knife killing have taken over.
     
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  9. Bill Boggs

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    If you already own a gun you can keep one long gun, no hand guns, nata. One only, either a rifle or a shot gun as long as it's not sawed off. If you own multiple weapons turn them in, all except those authorized you. If you do not own a gun, you can not buy one. The only people who will own hand guns is the military. Authorized police, and gangs. It will take a while to confiscate hand guns from gangs in some locations. No hunting will be allowed in the United States for two years until the appropriate department determines who can hunt what and where. That's all for now. I will take questions after I have had my dinner.

    Almost forgot. Facebook will be shut down a week from next Tuesday. It is determined they are a subversive organization. Thank you.
     
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  10. Bill Boggs

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    Notification: Article 3, paragraph 8 is amended to read. The following states may not own any firearms. Approved for these states only are BB Guns, Arkansas and Arizona. Oklahoma, bows and arrows only.
     
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    Republic, WA, Initiative #1639 was designed to implement restrictions on the purchase and ownership of firearms. These restrictions include background checks, storage requirements, and waiting periods for purchasing semiautomatic assault rifles, as well as increasing the minimum age to buy semiautomatic assault rifles to 21.

    Washington Police Chief Loren Culp proposed, on the police department's Facebook page, what he called a "Second Amendment Sanctuary City Ordinance" that would make I-1639 considered null and void by the City of Republic.

    This is what he is proposing. Nothing to do with immigration.

    Ordinance Number: __________
    An ORDINANCE of the City of Republic, which shall be known and may be cited as the “2nd Amendment Sanctuary City Ordinance.” To prevent federal and state infringement on the right to keep and bear arms; nullifying all federal and state acts in violation of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States and Article 1 Section 24 of the Washington State Constitution.

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  12. Don Alaska

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    "Semiautomatic assault rifles" is just an oxymoron term used by gun control folks to cover...I'm not sure what. Does that cover ALL semiautomatic weapons, or does it just apply to ones the LOOK like assault rifles. Why would it apply to semiautomatic rifles and not handguns? Is it determined by the length of the barrel? What about semiautomatic carbines? Are they included or not. To most guns folks I know, an Assault Rifle/Weapon is any firearm that can switch from semi-auto fire to auto fire with the flip of a switch or lever. Those are already restricted to special licensees and collectors in the U.S. What the people who are gun control advocates refer to as assualt weapons are anything that looks kinds scary, even if it is firearm used for hunting.
     
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    "Assault Rifles" are, per ATF, fully automatic rifles. "Assault Weapon" is a media term that would include any weapon used in an assault, such as the 9 iron Tiger's ex-wife used on him. I've never owned a gun, but I have a couple of assault-grade 9 irons in the garage
     
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  15. Hal Pollner

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    No weapon can compete with a loaded firearm when the time comes to save your life from one who wants to take yours!

    Hal
     
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