Alexandria Ocasio-cortez

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  1. Bobby Cole

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    Really? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Bird_Johnson
    Also reference how many mansions Obama bought whilst he was in office. Where did the money come from since his sales on his book dropped into the hundred thousands by 2015.

    But after all, what does all that have to do with Cortez?
     
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    No obligation to reply to my post #26

    As for giving up Social Security or Medicare. People that paid into Soc. Sec. are entitled to something for what was deducted from their paychecks.
     
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    And we were forced to do it. No possibility of investing for oneself. I always looked at it as kind of a "Long Term Care" insurance policy forced on you by the government. Wouldn't everyone expect insurance to pay the benefits that were guaranteed?
     
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    Had I had the option to opt out of Social Security when I began my working life, I'd have done so. Now that I've paid into it for fifty years, I'm not inclined to do so. That would be like refusing to put in a claim on my auto insurance because I resent being mandated to carry auto insurance.
     
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    There is nothing wrong with Social Security...we all paid into to get it. And it wouldn't be a problem if our Government hadn't stuck their hands in it and left behind crumbs instead of our money.
     
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    The Government didn't "stick their hands in it." IT IS A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM. In the thirties, there was a strong push from socialist Norman Thomas whose popularity grew due to the Depression. Feeling threatened, FDR took much of Thomas' platform. You are accepting what socialism actually is every month.

    Reminds me of the Tea Party signs "Government Keep Your Hands off My Medicare." It's hard to keep a straight face at such ignorance as displayed in the following:
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    If she promises that the gov'ment will provide for those unwilling to work, she will probably garner lots of votes. But how long can a society where most of the population is on the gov'ment dole survive? Somebody has to pay the bills.

    Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that the gov'ment should provide everything free for people who are unwilling to work.
     
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    Apparently, she did release a document that includes the line about paying for those who are unwilling to work. That's the one that was later pulled. They probably have someone who graduated from high school working on a new one.

    -- Business Insider
    -- Fox News
    -- National Review
    -- The Hill
     
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    "And a poll conducted by Data for Progress last summer found that 38% of Americans support giving everyone a monthly $1,000 payment and raising taxes on those making over $150,000, while 40% do not. Notably, that survey found the idea has much more support among working class Americans (non-college educated) — of all racial groups — than among wealthier people."

    So, under their idea, a man who is unwilling to work, his wife and their four children would receive $6000 a month and they could stay home and make more babies. Nice work if you can get it.
     
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    Social Security started down the "dark side" when Lyndon Johnson, while trying to pursue a Guns and Butter program (Vietnam War and War on Poverty), discovered he could "borrow" from Social Security to mask the huge (at the time) deficits he was running. We still had a budget process then and the government was more accountable. Johnson basically withdrew the funds from SS and replaced them with bonds that didn't have to be valued on the open market as I understand it--basically IOUs--that would have to be funded somehow in the future. Medicare went through a similar process when the Obama Administration removed $500 billion dollars from Medicare funding to help cover the costs of the ACA, not because of a budget responsibility as we no longer have budgets, but to make it look less expensive to the public. That was similar to the ol' flim-flam of a pea under the cups.
     
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    I disagree. They used the interest our money was earning for other things that had nothing to do with Social Security and replaced it with IOU's that were basically worthless.
     
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    Then we started giving Social Security to people who never paid into it, including, at one time at least, opening a Social Security office in Mexico.
     
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    How did they do that if the people never paid into it?
     
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