Pay Equity Between Men & Women

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  1. Hal Pollner

    Hal Pollner Veteran Member
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    For too long, women have suffered the disgrace of not being rewarded the same as men for the same work and responsibility.

    I propose having women workers in all fields being paid 10% MORE than men for the next 50 years, then reverting to equal pay.

    Hal
     
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    I hear the message well, but lack faith's constant trust.;)
     
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  3. Beth Gallagher

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    I think pay should be merit-based, and all the other B.S. need not be a factor.
     
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  4. Hal Pollner

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    Party Pooper!

    Hal
     
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  5. Beth Gallagher

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    Women should be paid more than men ONLY if the OUTPUT of their particular job is greater than their male counterpart.
     
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  7. Hal Pollner

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    Lon, I'll take that into consideration while sipping my Rum & Coke...

    Harry
     
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    Mmmmmm. Used to love Rum & Coke. Preferred Dark rum.
     
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  9. Bess Barber

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    I've never had a job where I was paid less than my male counterparts. Decades ago, perhaps women were the underdogs, but they REALLY need to stop playing the victim card and get over themselves. The whole woman power thing is boring and stupid.
     
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    I think women should be paid according to their brain power rather than their muscle power. Then we would earn way more than men. :p
     
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  11. Bess Barber

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    Men are a whole human species who haven't mastered the concept of the words:
    "Clean up behind yourself. "
    :D
     
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    @Bess Barber You tell em Bessie!!! My words exactly! Get over yourselves, you entitled big mouthed sissies! I started working in broadcast engineering when I was 18 while I was attending electrical and electronics engineering trade school. I was paid the same as others at my entry level. From there I went into construction because it was a growing area and carpenters were hard to find. I showed up with my tool belt loaded to the teeth. The boss asked me if I could frame as he didn't have time to apprentice anyone. I said sure. What was my experience. Well, I helped build two ranch houses and a few barns. OK, then for one day I will pay you the same wage as the guys and if you can keep up without help, then you have the job at the same pay. Well, I remembered my Grandpa saying, Faye, "always pick the best worker and stay with them, never try to out do them. Guys have fragile egos." I did that and worked all kind of construction for many years, always paid the same as the guys or a bit more when I made foreman or excelled as a finish carpenter. I worked on bridge building checking and correcting welds and as an explosive expert. I could run any piece of equipment on site with minimal training. Even a Northwest 88! That was the hardest learning how to cast it accurately. A real ranch girl has a vast variety of experience. The few years I was a social worker I was paid the same as anyone. Whether union or non union I was always paid the same. I did however have to prove myself, whereas a foreman might assumes a guy knows the trade and hire him without a trial period. That didn't bother me! I could have gone out in the street with a sign and plastic female organs on my head and cried unfair, but I chose instead to don a hardhat and with hammer in hand, show how a girl does it.
     
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    I have to disagree with this, @Bess Barber .
    While this might be true of men in general, it is certainly NOT true of all men. Bobby and I share all of the housekeeping and cooking and other parts of daily living, and Mr. Bobby does everything just as well as I do....... and often, he does it better !

    When I was growing up, my mom and dad did the same thing, and there was really no definition of job duties. When I was old enough to help, then any one of the three of us just did whatever needed done, when we had time to do it.

    When I go to the fitness center, women there are apt to leave towels and washclothes laying around on the floor, or a mess in the dressing rooms; so the not cleaning up behind ourself seems to be pretty evenly distributed among women, too.
    I think that it is more a matter of how someone was raised, or learned to do, than whether they are male or female.
     
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  14. Bobby Cole

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    My dad and I had a lot of differences but one definitely wasn’t about hiring female help on a construction site. He decided to hire one then a couple more after the first one proved out.
    We were both afraid of the “sniff” syndrome whereby male construction workers are too busy sniffing around the gals instead of getting their work done. It’s a given that it does indeed happen but the end result is that the guys who are interested in the gals tend to go forward into the “I’m strongest” syndrome and work harder to prove their mettle thereby hopefully gleaning an approving eye from the females.
    It doesn’t last long though as the two genders are no longer that noticeable in that everyone tried to get the most work done as accurately as possible because under my dad, everyone was subject to losing a job and possibly being chased down the road with a 2x4 no matter the sex.

    No one on a construction site is the same. Some are stronger than the others and some are more meticulous than the others but the averages speak for themselves in that the work gets done and everyone does their job according to their own personal abilities and how they work within a team environment. People were given pay raises mostly based on the consistency of work excellence and what a person’s sex was had very little if anything to do with it.
     
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    I worked for a major corporation with a mix of men and women. Early on in my career (in the early 80's), things were still pretty unbalanced for women with plenty of condescension from men, but things changed rapidly.
     
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