Abortion Petition

There's no denying that abortion intentionally kills hundreds of thousands of human lives each year in this country, with 61 million lives lost since the passage of Roe vs Wade. This is justified by the legal premise that babies in the womb may be human but are not considered "persons," though no biological, moral, or reasonable defense of this position can be made.

I recognize that a majority of people here are apathetic to the issue, but for those of you with a moral conscience, there is something you can do. Rather than remaining silent like knowing German citizens did during the holocaust, you can care about protecting the most innocent, defenseless members of our society by speaking out against the law that allows this atrocity.

Linked below is the home page for The Moral Outcry. You may want to take 5 minutes to read the FAQ and the petition, and decide if you support it's cause.

https://themoraloutcry.com/

 

Good point but you ruined it by bring the Nazi into it.

 

There are far worse things than never having been born.

 

@Shirley Martin
Now that IS a profound statement!
Frank

 

I once met an eight year old girl who's mother let men rape her in return for drugs. I don't know how long that went on before the mother was arrested. The child was scarred physically and mentally for life. Her foster mom was a friend of mine. One day, the child picked up a kitchen knife and attacked her foster mom. The last I heard from her, she was in some kind of institution and would probably be there for the rest of her life. Now somebody tell me that she would not have been better off if her mother had had an abortion!

There are far, far worse things than never having been born.

 

I believe in a woman's right to choose. However I don't believe in late-term abortion, so I'm a mixed bag.

 

Shirley makes a point, but it's a narrow perspective. While it may sound justifiable to spare somebody a horrible life by preventing their life, allow me to add - the rest of the story.

First, for each potentially horrible life spared by abortion, there is inevitably a wonderful life being prevented. And without supernatural foresight, this determination is not being made.

Second, there are many famous people who's work or discoveries have improved our standard of living, saved millions of lives, and prevented immeasurable pain and suffering in this world. It is an inescapable conclusion that some of this highly valued talent and potential benefit has been lost by the abortion of 1.5 billion babies worldwide since 1980.

Third, we are not yet a culture that allows one person to determine the right to life of another innocent person - except in the case of babies in the womb. Abortion makes this jump, but it's certainly not consistent with our nation's history and highest values clearly stated in the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

In any case, this thread was not intended to be an argument over abortion. There's another thread specifically covering that which received little interest and no substantive arguments supporting the practice. This thread was directed to those who do have a moral conscience with the issue and might wish to act upon it.

 

@Shirley Martin
Drugs indeed do induce powerful incentives to do great harm if necessary to procure them. Certain drugs undoubtedly more so than others. Might this be supportive of the concept of government giving to/selling to, addicted individuals rather than their risking life ingesting adulterated crap from the street?
Frank

 

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"Third, we are not yet a culture that allows one person to determine the right to life of another innocent person - except in the case of babies in the womb. Abortion makes this jump, but it's certainly not consistent with our nation's history and highest values clearly stated in the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

The self-evident truths at the time that was written "created equal" is questionable.

Northern racism grew directly out of slavery and the ideas used to justify the institution. The concepts of "black" and "white" did not arrive with the first Europeans and Africans, but grew on American soil. During Andrew Jackson's administration, racist ideas took on new meaning. Jackson brought in the "Age of the Common Man." Under his administration, working class people gained rights they had not before possessed, particularly the right to vote. But the only people who benefited were white men. Blacks, Indians, and women were not included.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2957.html

Let me begin by saying my preference. If a child isn't wanted that should be decided before having unprotected sex. Of course there is rape where that as a decision isn't possible.

Then there is modern technology that can inform the mother to be if the child would be born with severe birth defects/abnormalities. Would it be moral to condemn a life to that existence?

IMO. Abortion is a choice. A choice made by the woman that is pregnant.

 

@Bob Kirk said,"Let me begin by saying my preference. If a child isn't wanted that should be decided before having unprotected sex."

That would just be common sense. But, sometimes in a moment of passion, common sense can desert one. Anybody who doesn't believe that has never felt passion. I don't recommend surgical abortion as a form of birth control but I do think that "Morning after pill" should be given free to anyone who ever needs them and can't afford them. For one thing, it would save tax dollars that would have to be spent on unwanted children. It would save women from having and raising unwanted children. It would save children from having been born to mothers who did not want them.