True. What some folks fail to understand is that unless one lived in a major town or city, a lot of people didn’t even know about the succession until the war was at their doorway and even in the cities, news took time to get. We should note that Lee’s Confederacy didn’t even start to drive north until 1862 but prior to that, Union troops were steadily driving south and doing whatever damage they could do. Although the firing on Ft. Sumpter marked the official beginning of the war, the south was being plagued by merciless marauders masking themselves as abolitionists way before the declared war. It didn’t take being a confirmed Confederate to be the subject of a Union onslaught, it just took living in the south. Ya didn’t even have to have slaves but simply be southern to have your crops taken, you and your family killed and the house burned to the ground. Ref. Sherman’s march…….
It often takes a great deal of time to change society. I well remember the time when 3 civil rights workers, then called "freedom riders" were murdered by the KKK in the 1960's. Today, voters of all races have no trouble casting their ballots . Again, back in the 1960's, Alabama Gov. George Wallace stood in a school doorway to block the entrance of 2 black students who tried to attend classes at the Univ of Alabama. Wallace once shouted, "Segregation Today, Segregation Tomorrow, Segregation Forever". Today, black students have no trouble attending classes of whatever school they choose. From 1884 to 2017, there stood in New Orleans an area called Lee Circle. It had a tall pillar with a statue of Robert E. Lee at the top. In 2017, the New Orleans City counsel voted to have Lee's statue removed. Today that circle , sans Lee, is called Harmony Circle. There will come a time when young folks have never even heard of Ft Bragg. It will take some time , but it's going to happen.
My daughter was stationed at Fort Bragg for most of the time that she wasn't deployed. She was not only black, but gay, yet I doubt that the name of the base meant one thing to her.
And do tell me, did the removal of any of our historical figures do anything to lessen the violence anywhere in the south or Chicago or in New York or in New Orleans? Nope. Crime is up and much of it is under the pretense of racism albeit the larger percentage is black on black. I had two food establishments in the New Orleans French Quarter and the major violence was at the Basin Street projects so how did the removal of an icon remedy the situation? It didn’t. Right now, the crime rates in New Orleans are some of the largest numbers in the country. And….as far as Wallace’s segregation speech, perhaps one should look at our own present resident of the White House. To be sure, his past speeches and associations should have made him at least an honorary KKK member. To be truthful, that supposed 80 million votes he got must have been from White Supremists if we’re such a racist country. …………………….. When I whacked my thumb with a hammer, I did not get rid of it but rather, I learned from the experience so that I wouldn’t ever be hurt again.
What? No one walked up to her and gave her a flier saying that Bragg was a slave owner so she shouldn’t feel welcomed but rather, highly offended that the Army would choose to send her there?
Just a statement: People who are so offended by seeing icons of our history and are constantly reminded of our days of slavery by the sight of them shouldn’t be buying diamonds, cocoa, any item from China, computers and lap tops, sugar, rubber and a myriad of other items because much of it is produced by forced labor or rather….slaves. I mean, just putting on a pair of Chinese made tennis shoes should make ya want to set yourself on fire for being such a hypocrite.
Very true. Ya know Ken, I don’t know about ya’ll but I’m getting soooo derned tired of all the highly expensive virtue signaling that has been going on for so long now. They are getting rid of our history all in the name of someone being offended for whatever reason. How about if we get rid of all the cotton fields because some cotton producers had slaves or how about let’s get rid of ships because that might remind someone who was NEVER a slave that ships were used to transport slaves from wherever. Shoot, even better, let’s sink the USS Constitution because it’s a clipper ship and clippers were used to transport slaves. Ah yes and it might be highly significant for the offended ones that since Jefferson had a black mistress, perhaps all the biracial activity going in in the bedrooms should be abolished as well because having biracial sex should be a Huge reminder of the slave days. I doubt seriously that there are any black or brown people who have left the United States because they saw a statue or a banner that reminded them of slavery. To be sure, I also doubt that any riot of any kind was started because of a statue. Riots are started by stupid men doing stupid stuff and continued by men still doing stupid stuff. The @$@#$ cupcakes need to get over it and grow up.
I don't know if anyone, white OR black has ever said that Confederate symbols/base names/statues etc were the cause of violence. Personally, I believe those are two entirely unrelated issues.
The latest riots and the taking down of our historical icons all appeared in the same bucket of crap after the George Floyd incident. What statues that weren’t taken down were vandalized. If certain statues weren’t scheduled to be taken down, BLM threatened to riot. The present changing of the names of military posts and bases has nothing to directly do with race but rather just another way the left is trying to buy votes.
Yes, I totally agree with you about trying to buy votes. Just the same as Biden is trying to buy votes by allowing a tsunami of Hispanics into the U.S. As you already know, Hispanics traditionally vote Democrat.
It's especially odd when people are offended on behalf of someone else. Most BLM events were dominated by white women, while the actual black people at the head of the organization stayed home and raked in the money.
The war was fought by the north to stop secession initially. That sentence pretty much explains the intent of the North in the very beginning and as all wars do the grand purpose was extended to match the political whim of the day. Which came later after the war started and it was of course let's all gather by the river and free the slaves, but in the meantime let's also steal all the land and tax those plantation owners and other property owners so much they can't possibly pay it. I read a few books that were mentioning the results of the stealing and it lead to lawlessness because the north did not have the man power to police the south with an already engaged army in the Indian territories. This is when the southerners had no choice but to form their own vigilante forces to stop the murdering raping and pillaging taking place. Soon afterwards it was the KKK and those pervs were still present when joe biden was a Jr senator. He became best buddies with some of the most criminal minds known in the senate and congress. Things never change in America as long as they remain covered up or hidden. I think it was Al Sharpton that was telling people that there had been millions of slaves in the country during the 1800s. Rush Limbaugh did the math based on the number of commercial and military ships in service in that period and he concluded that the most one of those wooden sailing ships could carry other than crew would be like 24. He then did the math further and came up with the conclusion that they would still have to be transporting slaves using those ships at the time this was claimed by Sharpton.
"I do but quote from one of those speeches when I declare that 'I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.'" -- Abraham Lincoln "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union." -- Abraham Lincoln (August 22, 1862)
And there will come a time, and it is already happening , when people have never heard of the amazing success stories of black people, like Aunt Jemima, who the liberals have now eradicated from our history, with the lame (and false) excuse that they are trying to do something good. This demolishing of our history is never a good thing. whether it is good or bad history, people need to be aware of our true past.