China's One Belt, One Road

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  1. Craig Wilson

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    Is this trade bullying by China actually part of the commie regime's ‘One Belt, One Road’ Initiative? Some critics of the "Belt"initiative say it is nothing more than an insidious plan by the Chinese Communist Party to take over the world by stealth.

    Critics of OBOR say China is offering poor developing nations loans to build much needed infrastructure and then holding them to economic ransom when the loans are not paid in a certain time. They also say China is pillaging these poorer nation's resources in return for infrastructure building.

    The overland ‘Belt’ involves the creation of an economic and trade corridor extending from China’s west through Central Asia, (similar to the old Silk Road trade route) and finally to Europe. The first step is to further link Central Asian states to the Chinese economy, while the longer-distance initiatives include railway connections between China and Europe. The ‘Belt’ initiative calls for the integration of the Eurasian land mass into a cohesive economic area.

    Foremost among the key projects which have been promoted as focal parts of the OBOR initiative are the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor which provides China’s western provinces with access to the Indian Ocean through the Pakistani port of Gwadar, and the Bangladesh China India Myanmar Corridor, which will give Yunnan Province access to the Bay of Bengal.

    For the maritime ‘Road’, China’s development of ports and hubs across the Indo-Pacific is a key aspect of the Initiative. Purchase and construction of port facilities and associated economic zones in Australia (Port Darwin), Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Pakistan, Kenya, Tanzania, Oman and Djibouti are intended to provide China with maritime access and economic benefit across the Indian Ocean. These will connect to Piraeus, Greece’s major port, which has been bought by Chinese shipping group COSCO and which will allow direct access to the markets of Europe.

    Funding for the initiative is a key issue. China’s policy banks and other communist state owned institutions are providing by far the majority of funding with additional funding is provided thru the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank and the controversial World Bank.
     
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    No comment?
     
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    I don't know enough about it to comment.
     
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    You want a comment? What would you say is the new aspect in your post?

    We've discussed that at least one more time. Remember? That's what I wrote last time:
    The runway of Velana that you sowed some time ago is all part of the maritime silk route which complements the commercial route over land and stretches from China via Malaysia, Sri Lanka, the Maldives, the Red Sea and the Mediterranean Sea, along which a number of naval bases and commercial ports are being built. Tensions have been increasing especially in the South China Sea. Maybe that's the first region where China will have to use military force to protect its interests.

    As I said in another thread China is both repressive but, in contrast to the former Soviet Union economically strong and is using a plethora of technical means to police its citizens. Its leaders do not have to bother about democratic elections. What the West as a whole doesn't seem to have fully realised is perhaps that China's rise is a long-term-project. Western countries are more concerned with day-to-day political scandals, all kinds of exposès and embarrassments which prevents them from appreciating the goal shift of power that China brings about. China's challenge is of a different nature. Since there is less saber-rattling and, so far, almost no military conflict that China is involved in, this challenge is harder to notice. On the contrary, China is, in fact, another a free rider of the Pax Americana profiting from today's world as it is and, thus, is quite unlikely to change it for the time being. It greatly benefits from the fact that ocean routes are being safeguarded by the US Navy.

    China's economic success has been made possible because China is a member of the WTO and utilises all facilities and regulations. China is kind of low key when it comes to political alignments and has been on a good footing with both or all sides involved in a conflict in various regions of the world.
    Essentially, in contrast to other super powers, China's impact is based on sheer size both in terms of population and economic power. That's how it is changing the world also profiting from the US withdrawing from certain spots and regions. Western countries, especially European, want to trade with China while only having short-term gains and profits in mind which will backfire. It will be for the next generation to try and pick up the pieces when it is probably too late anyway.
     
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    Most excellent post, @Thomas Stearn ! I had heard about the new Silk Road idea, but all that I really remember reading about it was that Secretary of State , Mike Pompeo, was upset about Australia signing the pact with China, and said it could affect Australia/US relations.

    “ The US embassy in Australia has gone into damage control over controversial comments by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo that America would “simply disconnect” if Victoria’s decision to join China’s Belt and Road plan impacted telecommunications.“
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/...-s-belt-and-road-remarks-20200524-p54vz1.html
     
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    Most people never understand the plans of the owners of this world their plans stretch over centuries not years. The Silk Road has been in the public for years now but only when it affects us personally do we ever notice. Most of these plans like the Chinese’s have sent in pregnant women into the US to have their children so they are American citizens so they can return later after being programed for future use. This is a twenty/thirty year program.
    The infiltration of Europe/Africa did not just happen it was years in the planning. It is not the people of these countries but the ideology of their leadership that should scare you.
     
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    Yes as you allude to the state of Victoria will not back down from its China "Belt/Road" pact. NO surprise as its leader is a far left leaner. My state NSW which has conservative leadership has refused to sign the pact. The Australian Federal Government has taken a large backward step since foolishly leasing Port Darwin to the Commies some years ago. Mainly due to an outcry by several influential Australians about the level of Chinese investment that has been allowed in Australia over the past two decades specially. But the good news is, that after its peak in 2017, investment has declined. Many Chinese companies have come to Australia and overpaid for assets. Virgin Airlines is just the latest failed Chinese investment in Australia. China which is now down to the fifth largest investor in Australia still has plenty of business pull in my country. In the following sectors.
     
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    It’s high time we STOPPED sending our good clean food to China ...
    The behaviour of some buying and sending our “ clean “ products to China during this pandemic is nothing short of
    disgraceful
     
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    There is growing concern within the Australian government over how to handle foreign takeovers of Australian businesses which have ended up in financial strife as a result of the outbreak of the coronavirus.

    The Foreign Investment Review Board is bracing for attempts by foreign companies, particularly from China, to take over distressed Australian businesses and assets.

    According to some advocacy groups, foreign investors could present a valuable lifeline to struggling Australian companies in the coming months. But each case should be assessed on its implications for national security says the Grattan Institute.


    I am ok for foreigners to buy a failing chain of hairdressers or other smallish retail businesses. But we must draw the line on them swooping on Aussie telco and energy assets.. specially the Chinese commies.
     
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    Yeh. hands off China. We can no longer allow these commies to hold us to ransom. Surely Australian food exporters can find other markets for our seafood.. (shell fish, oysters, crabs, lobster and abalone) fresh fruits (citrus, table grapes, cherries and mangoes) oats and other breakfast cereals. Our biggest food market in China is for frozen and live beef. Locating other markets for this may prove somewhat harder.
    @Milla Jonas you recall several years ago that several frozen berry items from China were banned as they contained toxic chemicals or some such thing. Since then Australian produced berries have become far more prominent and I assure you they taste far better than those banned from China. I am surprised that we are not exporting our berries..
     
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    Any country that wants to integrate itself into the global economy is fine, but you can not trust a commie state.
     
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    I remember 20/30 years ago, going into a building supply store to buy 2x4s and everyone had a knot every foot or so. I asked the owner where is the good wood and he told me that the best wood was all sent to China and they could not get it. I don't know if he was telling the truth or not but all other lumber companies all had second grade lumber as well. This was in Canada which had some of the best lumber in the world.
     
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    This how a prominent Australian defence expert descibes "One Belt".

    The geopolitics of this (One Belt) are simple: Beijing is seeking to use its huge economic wealth to secure the supply of energy and key raw materials from Central Asia, the Middle East and Siberia and improve its access to the European market for its exports by land. From a geostrategic perspective, however, this also involves China building naval bases in a “string of pearls” in such places as Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Djibouti – even though in the past Beijing has always asserted that, unlike Western countries, it would never build military bases overseas.


    President Xi says the Communist Party of China will not follow “the old way of geopolitical games but create a new model of win-win”. Beijing would not rely “on gunboat diplomacy” but would respect other countries territorial integrity (presumably in the South China Sea?). And – most incredibly of all – “we have no intention to interfere in other countries’ internal affairs, export our own social system and model of development, or impose our will on others."

    Yeh sure.
     
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    "but would respect other countries territorial integrity" I wonder if that includes Hong Kong
     
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    I came across this video it has strong language but was able to point out things that need to be said.
    Showing the hypocrisy of certain groups.
    Them's there are 'red-pilling' words.....Sorry!
     
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