Does Anyone Know Anything About This Net Neutrality Stuff? I Don't

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  1. Von Jones

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    I don't understand what it means and I'm hoping there is someone here that can explain it to me.
     
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    Thanks @Babs Hunt. So the just of it all is that some websites will be slower than others if they decide to stay at the 'base level' and not paying for faster internet speed.

    It's confusing still but I understand it mainly applies to the websites and their choice of faster internet speeds and paying for it.

    Well, I guess it will show come 2018. :confused:
     
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    I think the streaming will probably be affected more than other things. So people who stream alot of movies, etc. may notice this is slower.

    I don't think I will notice much of a difference but then again...we will just have to wait and see.
     
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    I wasn't sure about it until Obama came out in favor of it. From then on, I assumed that it couldn't be a good thing. If it was good, Obama wouldn't be in favor of it.

    Would I rather have the government in charge of the Internet or my Internet Service Provider? Does it make sense that someone, like me, who streams movies and television day in and day out, and is online all day, would have to pay more than someone who gets online to check their email or Facebook once in awhile?
     
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    I don't think it will affect me much but what do I know, lol. I just go with the flow...unless it's too ridiculous.
     
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    Unfortunately we as consumers only get to ponder on those questions because bottom line the outcome has already been decided years ago just like the decision for digital versus analog. Like @Chrissy Cross I go with the flow too...within reason based on my pocketbook.
     
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    Well with electricity, etc. we pay for the amount we use...the more we use...the more we pay. So seeing things in this light I would have to say that the more Internet one uses, it seems reasonable that one would also pay more.
     
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    Don't get me wrong. It's not that I want to pay more but, given my dependence upon the Internet in lieu of cable or networks, it makes sense that I should pay more. We know that there is a finite amount of resources available because whenever we have an ISP who oversells their service, we notice a slowdown, so it only makes sense that those who are using it the most should pay the most.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality
    https://www.savetheinternet.com/net-neutrality-what-you-need-know-now
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eres-what-happens-now/?utm_term=.eff368b3ffec
    https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/22/17033608/net-neutrality-april-23-federal-register-publication
    Basically it means that ISPs (and other Big Business concerns) have paid off our beloved politicians to let them make more money at our expense, but you can read the above, and come to your own conclusions...and there is lots more info to be had...just Google it!
     
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    Thank you and I agree and we always lose something to boot.
     
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    To me, it similar to saying that we should spend as much on and have the same speed limits on back country roads as we do on Interstate Highways. As @Ken Anderson says, people who use more should pay more. Of course the people with a rinky-dink little web site want the same access speed as Microsoft, but do they deserve it? I think not. The web will go back to the way it was in 2012.
     
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    It will affect websites but it is more than that. A company cannot afford to build a nation network for the internet so they make agreements with various companies like Verizon and others to use their lines. Like with any business, the big accounts will get a discount while the others pay full price. It also will divert its limited bandwidth to certain companies who pay them more. What is wanted is to have everyone pay the same amount for the same bandwidth. No favoritism.

    I sometimes show people how a simple piece of data gets from their PC to where they want it to go. It will stay in your own provider's network as long as it can but if your provider does not have their own lines, they will pass it along to one of their partners who will pass it to another and it can goes trough 20+ different networks to get to the recipient depending on your ISP. I once showed someone in NJ how his email went to the West Coast before it arrived in NYC.

    Most people do not understand the internet. It is not a cloud. It is a lot of servers who direct traffic and translate the domain names into IP addresses and figure out the best/fastest routing to get to the destination passing through man routers to get there. Here is an example of how I reach Google from Florida each lines another router owned by who knows. You can see where Comcast stops handling my data.

    traceroute to google.com (172.217.1.78), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets

    1 96.120.22.37 (96.120.22.37) 10.568 ms 13.051 ms 12.725 ms

    2 be94-ur04.sumter.fl.lakecnty.comcast.net (68.85.211.181) 27.206 ms 10.466 ms 10.498 ms

    3 96.108.36.17 (96.108.36.17) 11.483 ms 9.571 ms 9.715 ms

    4 be-2-ar02.sumter.fl.lakecnty.comcast.net (96.108.36.41) 14.817 ms 12.067 ms 14.351 ms

    5 ae-30-ar03.bonitasprngs.fl.naples.comcast.net (68.85.212.102) 19.443 ms 17.827 ms 19.534 ms

    6 be-33661-cr02.miami.fl.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.94.89) 24.800 ms 24.892 ms 23.676 ms

    7 be-12297-pe03.nota.fl.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.82.70) 22.377 ms 44.497 ms 22.581 ms

    8 23.30.207.242 (23.30.207.242) 39.577 ms 26.534 ms 32.379 ms

    9 108.170.249.3 (108.170.249.3) 23.066 ms

    108.170.253.2 (108.170.253.2) 22.267 ms

    108.170.253.18 (108.170.253.18) 24.188 ms

    10 216.239.46.213 (216.239.46.213) 27.618 ms

    108.170.231.79 (108.170.231.79) 32.085 ms

    64.233.174.189 (64.233.174.189) 34.383 ms

    11 216.239.59.148 (216.239.59.148) 74.154 ms

    108.170.232.114 (108.170.232.114) 48.667 ms 63.695 ms

    12 72.14.239.158 (72.14.239.158) 63.801 ms

    72.14.233.83 (72.14.233.83) 82.602 ms

    72.14.239.158 (72.14.239.158) 65.666 ms

    13 172.253.51.121 (172.253.51.121) 63.111 ms

    172.253.51.81 (172.253.51.81) 67.497 ms

    172.253.51.121 (172.253.51.121) 68.902 ms

    14 108.170.252.193 (108.170.252.193) 62.657 ms 69.173 ms 61.898 ms

    15 216.239.57.87 (216.239.57.87) 62.681 ms 87.651 ms

    216.239.57.185 (216.239.57.185) 62.453 ms

    16 lga15s44-in-f14.1e100.net (172.217.1.78) 62.585 ms 62.745 ms 62.076 ms
     
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    Here is the traceroute from my computer to the forum.

    Traceroute has started…

    traceroute to seniorsonly.club (104.168.56.229), 64 hops max, 72 byte packets

    1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 4.834 ms 7.445 ms 4.274 ms

    2 mlnc-co-ls1.gwi.net (66.55.208.166) 78.718 ms 29.322 ms 20.548 ms

    3 mlnc-co-r1-mlnc-co-ls1.gwi.net (66.55.208.165) 24.083 ms 21.325 ms 23.564 ms

    4 mlnc-co-r1--pris-co-r1.gwi.net (207.5.145.41) 20.053 ms 23.162 ms 22.772 ms

    5 xe-0-0-12-0-93.a01.nycmny01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (157.238.179.121) 32.784 ms 32.203 ms 33.114 ms

    6 ae-15.r07.nycmny01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.3.213) 35.169 ms 40.171 ms 41.175 ms

    7 ae-0.telia.nycmny01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.8.230) 34.318 ms 38.798 ms 31.491 ms

    8 nyk-bb4-link.telia.net (80.91.254.15) 34.307 ms 32.166 ms 32.221 ms

    9 buf-b1-link.telia.net (62.115.141.180) 41.783 ms 40.676 ms 44.128 ms

    10 colocrossing-ic-317201-buf-b1.c.telia.net (62.115.146.151) 43.080 ms 40.132 ms 45.460 ms

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    15 server21.vortexservers.com (104.168.56.229) 44.489 ms 40.144 ms 41.485 ms
     
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