Knob Creek: Owning Things Frightening To Some

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  1. Babs Hunt

    Babs Hunt Veteran Member
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    Even though I used to shoot squirrels (my mom made the best fricasse with them) with my brother's 22 when I was young I have never had the desire to own a gun. Even with all the violence in the America and the rest of the world today...I still don't want to own a gun or even have one in my home. I used to have a baseball bat that I kept for protection...after I saw the Movie "Walking Tall"....but I don't have that anymore either. I believe people have the right to choose whether they want to own guns or not but I also believe that there are many people (criminals) who should never even be allowed near any kind of gun.
     
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    PPSH 41 was Russian WW2 submachine gun. Fired a 7.62x25 cartridge, same as the Tokerov Pistol. I had the pistol. My grandson has it now. Shoots a small bullet very fast. The ruskies wanted something that would penetrate Nazi winter clothing and still kill.
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    Here's a link, with some history. PPSH
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  4. Frank Sanoica

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    Here's what "Frank the Crank" don't like about it:

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    The cartridge case is a necked case, much more difficult to manufacture than the .45 ACP, typical round U.S. used in it's WW-II pistol, Thompson Submachine gun, "Grease Gun", etc.:

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    Case is straight, no taper, big caliber, almost half an inch in diameter, heavy bullet, but as Ike pointed out, fast bullets are often preferred. Any machine part or typical metal part needing to be of a carefully-controlled diameter, becomes a headache if it's tapered. Industry has standard tapered "Standard Arbors" which are used when inside-diameter holes must be carefully taper controlled.

    Strangely enough, the famous 9mm Parabellum round has a tapered case, about 0.010" over it's length; can't see that by just looking at it. Reloading though requires careful control of "sizing" dies.

    Edit: As a kid, there were these funny-looking things around the house:
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    These were the magazines used in the U.S. cal. .30-06 Garand Service Rifle M-1. My Dad made many die sets which formed them from sheet metal. Of course, he had to test each new die, bringing home the "blanks" made. I found that fired .45 ACP pistol casings had the same base size as .30-06 Rifle cases, so practiced stuffing 8 of them in Garand clips. Loaded, the rifle magazine looked like this:

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  5. Krissttina Isobe

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    Hmm, guess some people need to have all that kind of fire power...maybe I should make friends with some of those people who own those kinds of firepower so I'd be protected aside of the armed forces that is armed too. :D I don't own any firepower at all and got my Grandfather's vegetable knife that's used to clean vegetables we sold once upon a time. :p
     
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    My dad once owned a beautiful 7.65 Luger pistol. I believe it was a commercial model made in or before 1938. He let me take it out and shoot it one day. I shot a large carp in a pond. He came apart like a hand grenade. I think the Russian round was a bit hotter though.

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    @Krissttina Isobe The "clips" I showed above were for our Garand U.S. Military Rifle used in WW-II, and some use in the Korean War. The clips were mandatory for use; the rifle could not be used without one. They held 8 rounds of ammunition. However, the rifle which replaced the Garand, the M-14, was mechanically quite similar, except that it used a detachable box magazine holding 20 rounds of a new caliber, the 7.62 X 51 (mm) which was slightly smaller than the .30-06 it replaced. Both rifles are commonly used by civilians even now, 70 years later.

    Both military rifles had full-automatic fire capability, but only semi-automatic fire models were sold to the public. The M-14 model is said to be one of the most inherently accurate military rifles ever made, and has been used to win a number of 1000-yard National Shooting Matches.
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    :cool:Quite a learning experience ...thanks. Don't know much about guns and ammo. Learned a lot!
     
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  9. Frank Sanoica

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    @Krissttina Isobe Thank you for the compliment! Many have wondered why I have intense interest in guns, considering I have never hunted nor fought in the Armed Services. To me, guns are machines like any other mechanism, and have a fascinating array of different designs and operation. Fascinating, that is, for an Engineer. Frank
     
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    My dad collected, bought, sold and traded guns and other items all his life. He even built a few. I was brought up among guns and was taught to safely handle and shoot since age 5, when dad came home from the war. Guns became an obsession, like cars and motorcycles are to many teenagers.
    I was the only high school student in my school, at least, that had a gun and weapon collection from age 14 on. bought them with my own hard earned money. It contained 1 shotgun, 1 rifle, 3 handguns and an assortment of swords and bayonets. And yet, I never shot or stabbed anyone.
     
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