Many American Jews Need To Atone For Their Sins Against Donald Trump

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  1. Al Amoling

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    That was a long read...and after reading that President Trump apparently has done more for the Jewish community than any other president ( I have no idea if that's true or not but we'll go with that) ..I'm at a loss still to know why as many as 70% seem to hate him... what's the story?

    70% is HUGE!!!
     
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    @Al Amoling

    American Jews and Israeli Jews are NOT the same in their viewpoints politically. However, both are also divided between liberal and conservative. In America, MOST Jews in America are liberal Democrats, leaning towards Socialism....with a good dose of Communism. In Israel, they are more supportive of Republican, thus BB Netanyahu being their choice. He, along with Trump, are possibly the most vilified leaders on the planet regarding attacks from the liberals within both countries.

    Rabbi's who are conservative, and put God first, do not discuss politics. They remain loyal only to God's leading. The ones who call themselves Rabbi's (which is only the name for 'teacher', not 'preacher') and get all political can be right wing nut cases. They cause more problems than they solve.

    I don't know where they got the 70% from. I'm Jewish, no one polled me. So, it's as inaccurate as most polls are. My Rabbi does not discuss politics, but the people I go to synagogue with are ALL Republican and Trump supporters.
     
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    @Bess Barber I know about the difference as in my life time I've had relationships with both varieties. @Holly Saunders asks the question about the support of the Democrats and hatred of the president and I have to say, like her, I don't understand it.
     
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    I think a part of the reasoning would lie within the McCarthy Era . To many Jews, this smacked of persecution. However, if so many had not been affiliated with communism, perhaps the McCarthy hearings could've been avoided. Many were guilty. Instead of admitting it, they played the victim card and called it anti-semitism.
     
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    It was a witch hunt in which none of the accused were guilty.
     
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    Bess, my paternal grandmother was a Hungarian Jew, who married my Christian grandfather, who was an Austrian.

    So I guess this makes me 1/4 Jewish, and a product of the once-great Austro-Hungarian Empire!

    Shalom Aleichem,
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    It was a witch hunt in which none of the accused were guilty.[/QUOTE]

    I don't think anyone is guilty of trying to overthrow the American government just because they may attend a meetings or are affiliated with members of the communist party, but it was a different time when the Red scare was big.
     
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    Under Jewish Code, the Jewish bloodline comes through the maternal side, regardless of the paternal affiliation. We don't do percentages.
    This was started way back during all the years of war when they were afraid they would lose the bloodline due to so many men dying. There are one of four females of the Old Testament they would have originated from. Maybe this is why they are not a male dominated society as is the rest of the mid east.

    Side note: For someone who believes the Bible, the only way Jesus could've been Jewish is through Mary. :)
     
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    Bess clearly has more of an understanding of this than I do, but one thing that often confuses discussions about Jews, here or anywhere else, is that being Jewish has to do with ethnicity as well as with religion. Someone who is born Jewish is Jewish regardless of what he or she might believe. There are likely people who don't even know they are Jewish, yet they are. She could be Buddhist, and still be Jewish. Just as there is a divide between religious Jews and secular Jews, the Jewish people are not of one mind when it comes to Israel. Not all Jews are Zionists. In fact, some Jews were and are strongly anti-Zionist.

    Christians, and those of other religions, tend to think of Jews in terms of Judaism, that being a religion, but not all Jews are adherents of Judaism. Jews in the US are largely secular while (like Christianity), even within Judaism, there are sharp differences between various Jewish movements, some being liberal to the point of being mostly secular.

    For more of what I understand to be true, regarding Judaism, I reorganized that category in Aviva a year or so ago. I may not have gotten everything right but I did the best I could. Of course, the category is focused on Judaism, as a religion, not the Jewish people in general.
     
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