Olympic Gender Issue?

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  1. Bobby Cole

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    Yesterday, my wife and I watched a small part of the Olympics and tuned in just as the women runners were preparing for a race. I'm not sure how many meters, and to tell the truth I can't find much about it on Google.

    Here's what we saw though. They were showing each runner and then panned to a really, really ugly looking gal who was apparently representing Kenya. The race went off and Margaret, the Kenyan runner won.
    I remarked to my wife that she was either a man or an ugly woman but the name that was registered to her was Margaret. Okay.......ugly woman it is!! No.................

    This morning on the radio they were talking about the Kenyan transgender who won the semi-finals and would surely win the finals on Saturday. Apparently Margaret hadn't had the operation yet but could still qualify as a woman under the Olympic rules just by declaring her / his chosen gender. Dunno.
    It would seem that the higher testosterone level and consequential larger muscles and endurance would disqualify him/her from entering into a female race because it's a gimme that he would win.

    It's kind of like the story of the pig and the chicken at breakfast. The chicken only participated because it gave up a couple of eggs but the pig was totally committed.
    It would seem a little more uh....., sensible (?) if the Kenyan had "committed" to his chosen gender by having the sex change operation instead of just declaring it. I guess this politically correct thing has even spread world wide. Shame on them..........

    Jus' sayin'.......
     
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    That's not fair! I don't care if people become transgender, it's their business but just to be able to "use" it your advantage is wrong.

    There's a reason some events and sports are divided by sex. We have different advantages or disadvantages.

    If I was in that event I would protest. Next Olympics if I was a male, I would sign up as female insuring a few wins.


    Transgenders should only be considered the sex they state if they've done all the hormone treatments, etc.

    That's my opinion, but I just woke up late and still groggy.
     
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    Funny, we seen the same Runner being introduced and I told my wife that exact thing "why does this girl look like a man?". Got my answer!
     
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    I do think that the transgender jad an unfair advantage in a female race. If born male, one has testosterpne creating more muscle mass and more power. Bssed on that, he needed to compete against other males.
     
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    I saw a bit of this in the news, as well. I agree, it's unfair that he was able to run as a female, being that he had an unfair advantage due to biology. I don't really understand why those in the position to make these decisions don't understand common sense, other than they are choosing to toss society on its head and turn it into some fantasy world. I couldn't care less if someone wants to change to a female or vice versa, but don't then participate in something in which you have an advantage over your fellow competitors based on the biology with which you were born.
     
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    I'm waiting for the guys who couldn't quite make it into the NBA to sign up for professional women's basketball. There's no reason why they couldn't.
     
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    Just caught a gal that had won something and her trainer went to give her a hug, she picked him up and swung him to the floor
    He laughed and went to give her a hug, again she picked him up and swung him to the floor. Then she picked him up to her
    shoulders and carried him around the ring ! :eek:
    I turned to Fabs and said - very feminine :p
     
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    This is a bit of history for our sports. Before I was born, there was this runner named Mona who was the best in the women's national racing (I'm not sure if she runs the dash or marathon). She was unbeatable at that time which made her a sort of celebrity. But with her macho looks, her opponents complained that she take a physical exam to determine if she was really a woman. She quit running because of that.

    When I was in already working, there was this runner in the same vein as Mona. Her name is Nancy and like Mona, she is also our country's representative to international sports meets, I just don't remember is she was in the Olympics. And like the first case, some of her opponents in the local races clamored for a physical checkup. She quit running after that physical checkup. And although it was not published in the papers (there was no internet yet) rumors were rife that Nancy is an hermaphrodite - a person with 2 gender meaning she has 2 sex organs.
     
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    To be fair, I looked her up and I think she's intersex and not transgender.


    Intersex on the other hand is when someone, whether male or female is born with ambiguous genitalia, or in some rare cases, where an individual is born with both ovarian ad testicular tissue. Most intersexed individuals identify as their gender assign to them at birth.
     
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    Here's one I heard about on the radio also. A young high school boy/man/girl competed in the all state Alaska track finals and won knocking out female competitors for a scholarship.
    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3437517/posts

    Apparently there is a statute, title IX which was enacted in 1972 and re-named the Patsy Mink equal opportunity in education act in 2002 which pretty much says that no one in regard to gender will be excluded from any activity in any institution that receives federal funds.
    In short, the issue was concerning girls who wanted to play on boys baseball, football and basketball teams in school but were denied access to those teams because of their sex.
    No good thing goes unpunished because it's spread to boys wishing to compete in girls sports such as track and field where it is well known that males will exceed over their female counterparts.

    I believe the thing that is misunderstood about the act is that a male or female does not have to claim a gender but merely have the desire to play on the opposite gender's team.

    Now, here's where I am confused. I started the thread citing a "shim" who won a track event in Rio at the Olympics but the announcers cited title IX as the reasoning behind the Olympic committee's stance on cross gender competition. Title IX is all about American Schools which receive federal funds but the Olympics are totally independent of any college or lower school especially organizations outside of the U.S. It's an American law and not a world wide initiative!!

    Go figure why this world is getting so screwed up. People can't just take a peek under their Hanes or Jockeys and see which sex they are.
     
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    Confused ? ......definitely..........and I'm not the only one :p
     
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    I don't know why I felt uncomfortable last night watching the news. There was this not so young singer who was assigned as chairman of the National Youth Commission. First reason for my discomfort was her tattoo all over her arms. How can a woman represent the youth with that kind of design on her skin? Second, she is married to a girl. And I was really disgusted when she mentioned in an interview the term "my wife" referring to her lover who is also a female. Well, the singer was appointed on the strength of connections - her lover is the daughter of the guy who was instrumental in the successful registration of the president's candidacy last year.

    Pardon me for this gender discrimination post. I'm just being honest with my opinion on the subject matter of gender.
     
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  13. Bobby Cole

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    Uh, what you described @Corie Henson was only one definition of discrimination which is the "unjust" part of it. But, you were simply "understanding the difference" which is a totally different definition for which I applaud rather than have any disdain over.

    At present, there is absolutely NO scientific proof that males or females are accidentally born into the opposite gender's body. DNA is DNA........period. Hormone levels all through a person's life can vary and can be pretty screwed up especially around the time of puberty but it can be easily fixed. If a man's estrogen levels are up and his testosterone level is down there is a chance of gaining extra fat especially around the breast area but that doesn't mean he's turning into a girl. If a gal's hormone levels are messed up chances are she's going to bulk up and get facial hair but again, she's not going to be a guy but just a messed up female. No matter what the hormone levels are, a woman will not grow one and a man's stuff will not drop off.

    In today's P.Correct world there is way too much false credulence and credibility given to groups of diverse sexual orientation to the point that the more perverse and diverse the person is, the more legally and socially preferred a person becomes.

    Sad................very sad.
     
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    I think there is a gender mishap for some - very young children (around three) have been known to say they are a boy/girl
    I do believe it has become an option though - people now choose this route
    Its a mixed up world
     
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    The old way of thinking for girls was that they wanted to be mommy's, nurses, or teachers and the boys were in need of being firemen, doctors, or soldiers. In addition to that there was the old attitude of a sort of apprenticeship whereby men taught their boys and women taught their girls. In short, there was no loss of sexual orientation within the household for which the young one could be confused about.

    In today's way of raising a child, it's okay if a boy wants to smell good like mommy and wear a dress like his sister but God forbid he should be fidgety and act out (like a boy) in school. Drug him up and make him passive like a .....girl.
    At the youngest of ages a boy and a girl will notice definite differences and ask questions but today's parents aren't willing to help assign their sex but leave it up to the imagination of the young one and the willingness of teachers to allow young ones to "explore" a new identity. Some boys, when they see Sally wearing a dress and getting a little special attention will want that same attention just as some girls who see Johnny getting all dirty instead of having to stay nice all day, will want to be like Johnny.

    Gender assignment starts with the parents and when the parents refuse to play their true part regarding the proper mental structure of a child, things can't help but go wrong.
     
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    Since I'm all female and have always been all female, although at around 5 I was jealous that my brother could pee standing up I would never want to be a male...how boring! :)

    So, I really can't say what it feels like when someone just doesn't feel like the sex they are supposed to be and live in misery and some even commit suicide, so it's got to be a real feeling. If a male just doesn't get turned on by a female it's obvious there is something going on somewhere. Yes, hormones play a part but it's not that easy of a fix.

    I don't see why some would want to go through the torture of living what feels like a lie to them.

    Again, I have no idea what it feels like but judging from what I've read and the few that I've known they are miserable.

    My lesbian Childhood best friend at 10 didn't look like she had more testosterone and by puberty I was envious of her bigger boobs but she could throw a baseball further and faster than any girl and most of the boys we hung around with also.

    In high school we drifted apart because she went the slutty route, trying too hard I think to prove to herself that she was a normal female. She also got into drugs and alcohol at that stage. Later she even married and had 2 girls.

    But by the time I reconnected with her she was divorced and living with another woman.

    So, I don't judge how someone feels because it's impossible unless you've been there yourself and I haven't.

    I don't think it's fair though in sports where level of testosterone gives an edge. It's the same as using steroids.
     
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    Yes I agree Chrissy - there is such an influx today though, that once it did become acceptable, it seems there were more and more
    So I understand the posts above because I do think that 'now' mostly, its a choice
     
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    I really didn't intend for the thread to go into cross sexuality issues but to think about it, which direction could it possibly have gone?

    Here's another point that many are not very well versed on. After a child is born they automatically start learning and it isn't long before their brains start an associative process. Each thing that can be connected to a root memory is an association and that association can be expanded upon in any and all directions.
    Let's take a leaf for instance: If a child sees a leaf it is just that, an imprinted memory which has no real substance except for it's size and shape. Now, later on, if a tree with leaves on it were to be introduced then the leaves are given substance because the brain connects it to a large object later to be known as a tree.
    Now, that's just one learning experience depending upon sight but remember that we learn using all 5 senses of which the sense of smell is one of the most acute.

    Every now and then everyone has picked up a smell which takes them back days, months and even years to when they first detected a particular odor and along with that, the associative processes come into play giving the time, place and even the age and activity of when it was first experienced. Note: There are some smells that are not easily detected but still conjure up hormonal actions such as exhibited when there are male and / or female pheromones present.

    Now, imagine this scenario: A husband and a wife who wishes to have "wedded bliss" while there is a 1 year old sleeping in the same room. All sights, sounds and smells will be imprinted upon that child's memory and will effect that child's behavior in a positive or negative way no matter how great or miniscule it might be.
    Back to smell. The more favorable a smell might be is the most likely odor that child will be attracted to later in life.
    Sights and sounds also play a large part in the learning process and anyone can make up any scenario as to what a young one might perceive. Perceived pain is pain, perceived pleasure is pleasure no matter the reality.

    The above is only one way that normal sexuality can be altered through forced imprinting at an early age but there are dozens of other ways that a young one can become confused about their preference without bringing in a mistake regarding DNA.
     
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    True but I knew my friends parent's and looking back, she lived in a very normal home and also had a sister who didn't become a lesbian.

    She was just a tomboy, her parents didn't encourage it at all. Her father was a policeman, her mother a stay at home mom like mine. Catholics but not overly religious, just like mine.

    Also, she divorced when her 2 girls were small so they were raised by a lesbian mother and both are very heterosexual women. You'd think growing up they'd be influenced by their mother's lifestyle.
     
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    Yeah, it happens. Twins do not necessarily share the same pathology nor psychological tenor of the other.
    Like I wrote, there are dozens of different reasons for a confused sexual lifestyle but to merely say that a male is trapped in a female body or visa versa has been pretty much proven to be bogus by both scientific and psychological research.

    The bottom line is that girls should play with girls and boys should play with boys when it comes to competitive sports especially on the high school and upper levels. But of course, this part is my opinion and probably would not be the opinion of a girl's father who wants her to be able to play boys baseball because she has a good right arm and wants to be a boy.
     
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    It's all very confusing and not something I've had to deal with, but I agree about using it for advantage in sports in the Olympics. It's just not fair for the other women runners.

    I guess it's a hard thing to work out to everyone's satisfaction but they should start setting up rules to address this because it's not going away.
     
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    With the exception of those who are already busting the rules of nature, I am sure we can all agree on that stance Chrissy!
     
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