Possession Of Tools

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  1. Frank Sanoica

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    A 17 year old girl in Delaware has been charged with possession of a deadly weapon, after she killed her classmate with a BASEBALL BAT!

    Shall we start classifying the "state of deadliness" by type of tool? Gun: Highly Deadly Weapon; Shovel: moderately Deadly Weapon; Knife: Very Deadly Weapon; Hammer: Bludgeonly Deadly Weapon........

    Is EVERY kid carrying a baseball bat off to play, guilty of "Possession of a Deadly Weapon"?

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    This is simply a legal maneuver to strengthen the case against her. The bat was used in the killing, hence it was, in fact, a deadly weapon. No repercussions, down the line. Remain calm.........
     
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    Whilst driving down the road in my tool laden pickup, I have often thought about what would I say should I be pulled over by a policeman.
    I can visualize the cop asking me if there is anything in the cab that might hurt him and of course, since the passenger seat is occupied by an open bag full of chisels, knives and other sharp objects, my retort would have to be yes.
    Now the question would remain, would I use them to hurt the policeman? THAT stands as a problem because in order to be perfectly honest, I might have to ask him if he plans on hurting me? If not, the tools are just tools and if so, the tools are then classified as weapons.

    Now, would I actually ask a cop if he plans on hurting me? Probably not because I always get along good with our policeman and......I’m not stupid.
     
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    Well you are in possession of burglary tools!
    Then there is always the old canard that you never carry just a baseball bat ,"a deadly weapon" , but if you include a mitt and a ball, it becomes sporting equipment.
     
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    Well, now that you mention it, I do have a whole set of lock picks in my possession.
     
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    On police and court shows, and in real cases, they will often point out books that the suspect has in his house that they mean to portray as an obsession or as research into the crime, and I can’t help but wonder how many other books might have been there that didn’t fit the scenario and what someone might be able to pick and choose out of what I have in my library.
     
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    I'd surmise that if Michelle were to disappear and there was an open copy of "How to Dispose of Your Wife" on the coffee table, you might be a suspect. But of course I am no detective. :p
     
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    But that's the intent of much of this that some here are trying to diminish.

    Once precedence is set ("just this time to strengthen this case"), then that same ruling is available to punish whoever they choose. It all gets the camel's nose in the tent. Whether or not that was truly in their hearts in the moment, the result is the same.
     
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    Interesting. 'camel's nose in the tent.' Hmmm.
     
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    ,It might be of good interest to some to know that many of the “weapons” we have been exposed to through Chinese Martial Arts movies were at one time used by farmers to defend, tend and harvest their crops.
    Nunchakus were made famous by Bruce Lee as a weapon but in ancient history, they were originally used to harvest rice.
     
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    I had no idea. I went on the web and read that Emperor Jiu Hong Jun (mid 10th century) settled in a small village with his army after a defeat. Believing that his soldiers should assist the farmers in their fields--since the farmers were feeding them--he would routinely tour the area to make sure that his soldiers were doing as commanded. It was there that he saw the tools you refer to used to harvest rice.

    The rest, as they say, is disjointed, gap-filled history.

    Fascinating stuff.
     
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    It's an interesting expression, isn't it?

    It seems "Camel's nose under the tent" is more common.
    It's the Arab version of "A foot in the door."
     
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    If I remember correctly, on the Alfred Hitchcock TV show, someone committed murder with a frozen leg of lamb using it to bludgeon the victim and later cooked and ate the weapon. The perfect crime.
     
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    Barbara Bel Geddes, if I recall correctly (and I'm sure I do, I've watched that show so many times.)

    She killed her husband with it (the guy was a cop), and then fed the murder weapon to his investigating coworkers.

    That's just as good as a knife made out of [soon-to-be-melted] ice.
     
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    @Peter Renfro

    What auxiliary equipment should we carry when our "sporting equipment" is a hunting rifle?

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