The Dumbest Generation?

Discussion in 'Education & Learning' started by Ed Wilson, Aug 10, 2020.

  1. Silvia Benoit

    Silvia Benoit Well-Known Member
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    Seer, my parents were both busy professionals but the always found time to "be there" helping us; in those rare instances they were not my granda took over...and that was painful. LOL :)
     
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    Test you, Test me, Test everyone else.

    Test everything said before accepting anything. If it is not proven truth, wait.
     
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    Vouchers....I am all for vouchers. I believe this method will make a huge difference...as it would school specialization.
     
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    @Jeff Elohim

    Just HOW is TRUTH to be tested with absolute result?

    Frank
     
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    This is the question , isn't it?

    The answer is simple: with all of your heart seek truth, keep seeking truth ...

    you will find the truth.
     
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    @Jeff Elohim

    Philosophically, maybe; realistically, doubtful.

    Frank
     
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    Is there a Creator ?
     
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    I am SO against vouchers.

    School vouchers may sound to some like a good idea in theory, but even with a voucher or tax incentive, parents have to spend more dollars to send their child to a private school. Those that can't afford the extra money, can't afford to use vouchers. This only widens the gap between those that have, and those that have not, starting in early childhood.

    Instead of vouchers, a better idea is to change the funding system of public schools, which is based primarily on property taxes, so the tax money allocated to schools depends on the number of students, rather than the socioeconomic status of those living in the school district.
     
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    School vouchers would inevitably bring the same stupid government regulations to private schools that have made the public schools such a failure. Rather than a voucher, which would have the effect of giving parents money that could be used to pay for private school education, I'd rather see them being able to claim it as a deduction on their taxes. After all, if I am paying to send my child to a private school rather than the public school, why should I have to pay for both?
     
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    Vouchers are not for the schools...are for the parents to be presented to the school they think as the best for their kids. The advantage of vouchers is the school/s -in order to keep getting this money- will improve their curriculums / teaching.
     
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    I might point out that it were those hated gov't regs that had teachers cut the pages out of biology books that dealt with evolution and had textbooks that "Brought Africans over to work in the cotton fields; meaning that state legislators set the agenda, not the teachers.

    Furthermore the spread of Charter Schools, which the Obama admin supported, has set back US education by a century. Why don't we privatize the police and military? Oh wait... the military is already privatized.
     
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    Teaching/ schools at most all levels have only gotten worse as more money was spent.... over the decades, continually worse....

    As someone once pointed out, the question is not "should ungodly evolution be taught in public schools" or even "should creation be taught",
    but rather ,
    should there be any public schools ? (they have not helped, from some or many viewpoints, and have likely caused much expense and results in students not learning how to earn an honest dollar - dishonesty is embraced in public, and encouraged and even expected in courts by judges, lawyers, defendants and observers (all saying it seems "just don't get caught" (lying) ) ....
    There's a long history in the usa , decades anyway, of losing students, losing teachers, losing money (more than anything), because the government and public ways of education are not built on a solid footing, and do not have good results overall....
     
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    Strange that public schools work quite well in other developed (and some undeveloped) countries quite well. Also, I might mention that immigrants found access to schools here that wasn't available to them in their original countries. Assignment (I'm an old time teacher): Google 'US physicians educated abroad.'
     
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    As with most things that the government is involved in, the more money you throw at it, the worse it gets. Public schools, in this country, were intended to be local and locally supported, not federal and federally mandated.
     
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    I must have missed something. The charter schools that opened up in Louisiana [after Katrina] amped up the educational development of the kids, not hindered them. Kids are not being pushed through the system as in “no child left behind” but instead only move on when they are ready to do so.
    The nearly privatized educational system allows for a heavier scrutinization of their instructors and unlike the public school system, can fire them without repercussions from a union.
     
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