The Effects Of Plastic On The Environment

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  1. Patsy Faye

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    Really ! ? You don't believe me ! ?
    I'll just tell you, its 'not' a theory
    Nothing more to add

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    @Beatrice Taylor
    Ouch!
     
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    For the last five years or so that I worked in a paper bag plant, most everything we made was from recycled paper. It was more expensive and we couldn't get as much production out of it as with non-recycled paper, but that was what the stores wanted.
     
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    Not trying to be mean but I'm pretty sure that no-one in England is seeing any of my trash hanging from trees.

    My trash goes from my apartment complex in a closed truck to a garbage burning steam plant that generates and sells electricity to the local utility company.

    If I overreacted to Patsy Faye's post then I apologize to her and the other members of the SOC.

     
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    Or, as starters, bring your own cloth or insulated bag and refuse whatever the store uses. Many stores already have a “bring your own bag or box” policy which seems to omit part of the merchant’s overhead.
     
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    Don't know if your paper bags are the sort with handles on them, but if they are, don't put much faith in them. I had the handles rip off twice now, the last time (and I do mean the very last time) nuking most of my carton of eggs. Also them "strong and sturdy" bags will be anything but, if you walk them through the rain to your car....especially the bottoms. Had that joy happen a couple times too. Used to that is, as I now only use strong plastic bags which I buy online, since the Nannyites outlawed them here. As for the paper bags, the little recycled symbol is suspiciously MIA on those from Safeway, Lucky, Trader Joe, etc.

    Recycling here is not doing so great, irregardless of what the liberals would have you believe:
    https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/10/why-everything-in-that-blue-bin-isnt-recycled-6/
    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-skelton-recycling-problems-california-20180709-story.html
    And that is maybe not just happening here:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/climate/recycling-landfills-plastic-papers.html
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...mers-wishful-recycling-big-problem/100654976/
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium--1.6158793
    I have bothered to look into the recycling question, and it's not the miracle some profess it to be:
    https://vittana.org/21-recycling-pros-and-cons
    There is now a forced recycling law here that legally mandates the separation of garbage, forcing me to be a garbage picker. As the Queen of England might say "We are not amused!".
     
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    Yep - a simple solution Bobby and exactly what I do !
    Makes you wonder how shoppers managed when we didn't have all the plastic bloomin' bags !
     
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    No - I'm not amused either - besides the cruel harm that plastic does to animals, we 'can' live and get by without it !
    A bit of imagination wouldn't go astray
    The paper bags 'do' have handles and are very sturdy
     
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    Not mean ……………. just ignorant of the facts, if you live in the US, no - I won't see 'your'
    bags :rolleyes:
    I'm done with this thread so please don't quote me
     
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    If that's what the stores wanted that's a good thing
     
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    Burlap went a long way.
    My wife has several cloth bags which she stores in the truck. We still have two of them that Ina gave us when she visited. They span the width of the cart and have clips which attach to each side. Instead of placing the goods in the cart, everything is put in the bags.
     
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    The bottom line here is that there is absolutely Nothing that man has made or ever will make that doesn’t impact our environment in a negative way. Whether it’s a plastic bag or a hut to live in, the material has to come from something and somewhere.

    As stewards of everything that is naturally here, it’s the job of every human being to minimize whatever the negative aspects of the endeavor might be but it’s a given that there are those who simply do not care.
    Then there are those who pretend to give a dern by diverting all the water necessary to irrigate a large portion of California’s farm land to save a bait fish whilst carrying their groceries home in a plastic bag filled with a couple of 6packs bundled with can rings that will end up on the side of the road, in land fills, in the ocean or smothering a child or an animal.

    No matter what it is, if each individual kept a true watch on what we /they do, then the need for some products would simply go away.
    You don’t like plastic straws, bring your own version.
    You don’t like styrofoam to-go plates, bring your own container.
    Same thing for plastic and paper bags or what have you. We change and it’ll eventually catch on and whatever it is just will not be cost effective enough to produce it.
    If it doesn’t, well, we will have done the right thing even if the whole world opts for something else.
     
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    All but one or two of the paper bag manufacturers in the United States went out of business because the same people who are now decrying the use of plastic were promoting plastic over paper in order to save trees.
     
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    Yep, I believe one of my links mentioned something like that. Recycled paper (among other recyclables) is backed up at the storehouses, and that does not happen because it in in demand, but because supply far exceeds demand. It does not take a genius to figure out if recycled paper is not being used to make all the paper bags to replace the plastic ones, then from whence comes the raw material. Also, just because a paper bag you use bears the 'recycle symbol' (https://www.recyclenow.com/recycling-knowledge/packaging-symbols-explained), is no guarantee it came from recycled paper.
     
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    Perhaps the "recycle" symbol is placed everywhere as an encouragement?
    Frank
     
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    Working the graveyard shift, I was sometimes tempted to load up some non-recycled paper because it ran so much smoother and made a better bag but, although non-recycled paper was cheaper, nearly every customer demanded recycled and people who knew paper could tell the difference, which is not to say that the average customer or bag-boy would.
     
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    Telling fake anything is easy; just smell it.
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    I can attest to that. I got absolutely no way to tell whether a bag or writing paper or whatever is recycled or not. I always relied on the 'recycled symbol', but as my link shows, there are lots of such symbols that mean a lot of different things.
     
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    @Neville Telen - the answer is to use cloth bags, we use them, last years
    The company I mentioned that give out paper bags, with handles - are renowned for the use of these bags, we have
    two of them, still going strong. The company would soon be found out if they were not the real deal.
     
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    I compost, I try not to pollute, and I don't clearcut all the trees on my land because I appreciate the wildlife that lives there, but I have very little respect for environmental campaigns.

    They are usually based on BS. At the top, they are promoted by powerful people who want more power over everyone else and by governments who want the same, as well as more of your money.

    At the bottom, they are promoted by people who can't see through the BS or who are mostly interested in the feel-good aspect. It makes them feel good to drive an electric car despite the fact that the production of the batteries that power their cars and the electricity that charges these batteries are more polluting than the gasoline that the rest of use to power our cars.

    Relating this to the topic of this thread, much of the overuse of plastic that we're seeing today was promoted by people who were interested in saving trees, as that was the feel-good agenda of that day. The push to replace paper and wood products with plastic was BS, but that didn't matter to those who felt good about saving trees.
     
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    Rather than save all .the trees, I wish they would figure out a way to selectively harvest the totally useless, fast growing, invasive ones, like water oaks. They are taking over the forests here in the south, crowding out the slower growing oaks and hickories.
     
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    It seems like that only happens when petroleum prices skyrocket.

    We have a university research farm on the outskirts of the city that was experimenting with fast-growing willows to be used in the manufacture of pellets for wood stoves. When petroleum prices normalized everything stopped but the willows, they continue to grow into a wild jungle.
     
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    I agree.

    The idea of consumers spending money to save the environment seems odd when often the best thing that you can do for the environment is to spend less, use less and reuse the things that you have.

    It also makes me a little skeptical when people like Al Gore tell me to tighten my belt and reduce my energy consumption in my little apartment when he has several homes including this one.

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    "If something doesn't make sense follow the money." - Carol Wain
     
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