There Is No Justification For Violent Protests

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  1. Dwight Ward

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    I would generally not recommend anything on Tucker Carson but I'm sending this video link out to my email list, along with the one of the black twins below. I don't think I'll make any comment or interpretation of either. I'd just like to know what my friends and family's thoughts are about the videos.
     
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    Here is some interesting information about the BLM protestors who broke down the gated community entrance and went on to threaten the McCluskys.
    One of the rioters is actually a representative from Missouri. No wonder they want to charge the homeowners for defending their home and lives, and ignore charges for the rioters.

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    It was on the radio this morning that the DA sent Mrs. McClusky’s handgun to be examined to see if it could be fired. Initially, it couldn’t because the firing pin had been installed improperly. The examiners were also told by the lady D.A. to fix it if it was possible which they easily did and even performed a test fire of the weapon. It now works.

    The problem with all of this is that when the DA ordered the weapon to be repaired it is classified as tampering with evidence and is now inadmissible in court.

    One thing though, the McClusky’s are being prosecuted for pointing the weapons at the mob. It’s illegal to point a weapon at another person unless you are in fear for your life. That point is presently being argued.
    Now, as a side bar, unless you’re ready to fire the weapon and put an adversary down, no matter how in the wrong he may be, if you point a weapon at another person, that person is then entitled to defend himself. In short, the bad guys could have won this one in a very bad way.

    EDIT: What I’d like to see come out of this is that the McClusky’s should be mandated to take a full course on weapons handling.
     
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    Here is a picture that should be seen by everyone who thinks the rioters were not armed and threatening the McCluskys. As for believing that their life was in danger, they had just watched their home town being vandalized and burned, and people being attacked by the violent rioters, and they are people in their 60’s, who obviously don’t have a clue about protecting themself with a weapon.


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    This is an article about the Seattle police searching a van that had been following the rioters, and was left behind when they were chased off. The police found all sorts of explosives, pyrotechnics, spike strips, and other dangerous items in the van.
    People were seen earlier , going to the van and getting some of these and taking them back to where they were rioting. Peaceful protesters do not carry this kind of thing .

    https://www.rt.com/usa/496585-seattle-van-explosives-protest/
     
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    There is no doubt that these people are hell bent on destruction. Question is, where are all these explosives coming from? How are all the materials for making same being obtained legally?
     
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    I'm puzzled, Martin. Haven't you maintained that ALL the protesters were and are violent? How could there be a 'peaceful' protest in Cleveland?
    Re:' all' media coverage being a psyop - some is, some isn't, IMHO.
     
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    I heard you say this before. It's just not true. Type "when did countries end slavery" into a search engine. Among many other pages, this one comes up:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom

    The US was one of the last, not one of the first, to end slavery.
     
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    It's my understanding that the McCluskys didn't pull weapons until they saw protesters on their property coming towards the house. I can't find the source for this. Contrary to my left-leaning colleagues, I support the McCluskeys.

    Perhaps I shouldn't describe myself as 'left-leaning'. Terms shift meaning gradually. I'm more of a.nationalist-populist than a liberal I think. It doesn't matter, really. My opinions are unlikely.to sway anyone else, but I still say what I want..
     
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    You are correct, Dwight. The McCloskys first went out to see what the disturbance was all about and when they saw that the gate to their street had been torn open, and the mob pouring in, they ran in for their weapons. Like it or not, where I come from, this gang had no business tearing down that gate and entering that street uninvited. I'd have done the same thing the McCloskys did. Keep in mind, the McCloskys did call the police before coming out with the guns.
     
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    They were still wrong. not to mention incredibly stupid. The protesters were not on the McCloskeys property. They were on a "common" area on a private street. The analogy would be for you to go to the end of your Cul de Sac to repel the invaders. Now if they had remained in their vestibule, they would have been in defense of their home, entirely justifiably.
    It would have been perfectly legal for one of the protesters to have shot the missus. She was in a shooting stance with her finger on the trigger. That constitutes an immediate and actionable threat.Try that with any LEO and come back to tell me your story.
    This is not about what any one feels, not about what should be or not. This is about the letter of the law, not the intent which calls for a conclusion, but the letter which is black and white,"no pun intended"
     
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    Though they’ll probably end up getting off, I have to agree with you in that they (even though panicked) did something that could have been more disastrous.
    When someone points a gun, it’s assumed that it will be used and a life is in danger so a potentially deadly defense is actually in order and legal.

    The only major problem I’m having with the whole thing is that there are a few photos (Yvonne posted one) of a protester holding a firearm which in some minds constitutes a threat also. A trained person might or might not take a defensive stance at that time depending on the situation.
    Certainly, when there is a confrontation between a suspect just holding a weapon and a police officer, the police officer will invariably take a defensive stance with his or her own weapon in the ready to fire mode and order the suspect to drop his weapon.

    Now, what would I personally do? If I lived in a gated community and a mob broke the main gate down and were in front of my home?
    1. I certainly wouldn’t be standing out on my front lawn with no cover. (In the case of the McCluskys, they had a second story window where they could view the event and mob much better and stay protected at the same time.)
    2. (a) I wouldn’t ever wave a weapon around much less a weapon I have no knowledge of or just as bad, a weapon that isn’t functional nor loaded.
    2. (b) Ultimately, I am of the mind that a weapon is good for two things; cleaning and killing and if I’m not willing to use it for the latter, then I shouldn’t have it.
    3. The first round in my shotgun is a flash-bang round which is the only warning I would give if someone stepped foot on my property in a manner that I deemed at the time to be life threatening. The first hint that it might be life threatening would be when a mob is busy breaking down the gates to a small closed community and someone, even one person who is brandishing a weapon.
     
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    This illustrates a lot of what's wrong with news these days. So much of it is ideologically biased that you can't tell when you get the real story. Lois's sources differ greatly from Peter's. Lacking an overhead video shot of the protesters and property, what are we to believe? It's not that I don't have the time to hunt down things like this - I have time on my hands. What I lack is the patience to wade through propaganda.
    I had to chase down what LEO meant.
     
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    1. I certainly wouldn’t be standing out on my front lawn with no cover. (In the case of the McCluskys, they had a second story window where they could view the event and mob much better and stay protected at the same time.)

    Perhaps their instinct was to show a visible threat to the protesters and warn them away that way. I f they had hidden themselves upstairs maybe they'd have really had to hurt someone who didn't see they were protecting the house from up there. Totally guessing here. I'm just glad no one really got hurt. What a tragic place the world is becoming, with people intolerant of each other to the point of violence.
     
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    “Instinct” is a problem with a lot of people. It gets people killed.
    If a person merely goes out an buys a weapon without making explicit plans on how it is to be used and is trained accordingly, instinct is all there is to rely on.
    Some people will instinctively cower in a corner somewhere whereas there are others who think that a standoff at the OK Coral will save their lives.
    Both of those knee jerk reactions have too many flaws when in this case, the McCluskys had “home field” so to speak.

    As kind of a side bar, if one looks back at the Revolutionary War, why did the British have so many problems with the small militias? Answer: The British were used to facing their enemies in ranks and in an open field. The revolutionaries fought behind rocks, trees, and even though they were outnumbered most of the time, lived a lot longer than they would have if they fought head to head.

    The bottom line is still what I really believe that guilty or innocent, the judge should should order them to go to training classes (both Proficiency with a firearm and tactical training with that firearm) if they are even allowed to have another firearm.
     
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