Trump Is Hitler

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  1. Martin Alonzo

    Martin Alonzo Supreme Member
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    They keep comparing Donald Trump to Hitler let’s look at the comparison
    Hitler was the pride of the media even called man of the year by Time magazine. His rise to power could not have happened without the news media help.
    Trump the media is 97% negative against him. Even social media twitter, Facebook,
    Hitler took the guns from the people so they could not protect themselves.
    Trump told the people your guns are safe.
    Hitler had his brown shirts to terrorize and person who speaks out.
    Trump is fighting against the antifa who are equal to the brown shirts of Hitler.
    Hitler had the cartel of elites helping him [Henry Ford, Rockefeller, Bush family and more] also the pharmaceutical industry who built Auschwitz
    Trump is going after the cartel of elites and making them pay their part. Also he did not receive and funds from the pharmaceutical industry so he has no favor’s to pay back.
    Trump is probably the complete opposite to Hitler but like normal some people just repeat something because someone else said it without knowing anything
     
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  2. Thomas Stearn

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    That is not surprising at all but it is a common method not only used by demagogues like Hitler and the like but, as you exemplify, also today by people with vested interests and/or a hidden agenda. The method is to positivistically compare and equate totally different things just because, on the face of it, they seem to have the same qualities. So if the essence of things doesn't matter, you might say that the carnivoran animal and the Ursa Major are (and must be, so they conclude) one and the same thing because they have the same name: bear.

    By the same token, they might then (and that's what they actually do in your example) compare Hitler and Trump supposedly with some justification by randomly picking some qualities or properties that look, not are, identical while completely ignoring their essential difference.
     
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    Godwin's Law
    "Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies)[1][2] is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1";[2][3] that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or his deeds, the point at which effectively the discussion or thread often ends."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
     
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  5. Thomas Stearn

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    True, Lulu, but there is no online discussion going on here nor would I want to get involved in one.
    Martin mentioned a method used by “them“, whoever they are, but outside this forum.
     
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  6. Montgomery Python

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    Trump is not Hitler, or even a National Socialist. Trump is as near to corporate fascism as it’s possible to get without actually mentioning it.
     
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  7. Montgomery Python

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    As Thomas Stearn implies, politics brings out the worst in us and let’s face it, the end result of what’s happening today in politics most of us won’t be around to see. Yet the millions of us who got out already saw the warning signs nearly two decades ago. So, here’s my summarized version.

    Trump’s rhetoric bears a striking resemblance to that of Mussolini. The personality cult, the same attempts to silence a free press as ‘fake news’, the reliance on savior beliefs, nationalism … Yet above all, that only the wealthy are superior in intelligence and fit to govern – which is progressivism, not progress. Obama also succeeded, but came packaged as an Obama Messiah although using the same belief system. Antifa the Red Guard v The nationalist ‘Proud boys’, or equality utopia based identity politics v MAGA? They’re abstracts which don’t exist and the 20th century provided plenty of examples of that.

    Doesn’t this make you cringe? (2.06)


    What about this then? (2.22)


    It should make you cringe, because that’s what you saw in the old Soviet Union and currently in China and North Korea and it always starts with the children. Another word for what you saw in the videos is ‘indoctrination’ and in thirty years’ time it’s where the next generation of Obama’s and Trump’s will come from.

    The world has changed and the problem never addressed is what happens to a first-world society when industrialization declines, or it goes through periods of trauma, such as war or economic collapse. It’s no coincidence that the Soviet Union arose from the ashes of the First World War and the Chinese communists rose to prominence after the second. In between arose the authoritarian demagogues such as Hitler, Mussolini and Franco, who were no different to the Stalin’s and Pol Pot’s, in turn replaced by the millennial rainbow hero’s Mandela and Mugabe.

    Is it a coincidence then that after the greatest ongoing recession in history the Obama’s and Trump’s should surface? These characters wouldn’t have got near the White House even thirty years ago. It’s not only confined to the U.S., Europe also produced the oddballs with open borders based on cultural equality and politicians to surpass the stupidity of American ones.


    The west has entered into a period of moral relativism. That’s to say that there are no absolutes and therefore no right or wrong. The truth is whatever the individual wants it to be and no judgments. From shape shifting reptiles to aliens and everything is ‘fake news’; reality is whatever you believe it is.

    "We risk being the first people in history to have been able to make their illusions so vivid, so persuasive, so ‘realistic’ that they can live in them." – Daniel J. Boorstin.

    Let’s finish off with a favourite prophecy of nearly half a century ago and still as relevant today.


     
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    No, they are fake news because they're part of a political campaign rather than a news media. They chose that, and were well known as such before Trump voiced it.
     
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    I came in late. You must be discussing Fox News, of course.
     
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  10. Montgomery Python

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    All news is biased, depending on who owns the source and yes, the media has a tradition of leaning left. News is a saleable item and reflects what people want, hence the big divide in beliefs. Who has the monopoly on the true version of events, given that there are very often two sides to a story? It certainly can’t be one politician whose job it is to sell their own version of events and insist everyone else is lying. I give my own critique here, a bit harsh but I stick to it.

    To get information or background to an event, the America media is the last place on earth to go to. I personally favour alternative media, if only because it teases out the often unpalatable bits we’d rather gloss over.
     
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    There's no fake news. That's a recent conclusion of the news. All news is managed, after all they only have thirty minutes or an hour
    to tell us what they want us to hear. We should not blame the news messengers too much, after all they work for some one else. Who owns all these news channels. They are the real ones pulling the strings. If you must know. If you must know all, I repeat all of dtelevision is managed and choreographed. It is the way things are now days. These owner companies must satisfied advertisers and investors. The person watching is the least considered. They know we're a captive audience. They all are after the almighty buck. We take what they feed us and go to political war.
     
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    Trump's not trying to kill all the Jewish people....he's definitely not a "Hitler" but we shouldn't be surprised that some are calling him that because we know the News Media, etc. hate Trump and will try anything and everything to get rid of him.
     
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    There IS fake news, and it has been around for a long time. I remember back in the 1970s (I think) UPI was castigated for sending over the wire a news story they knew was false when they sent it. I don't think UPI exists any more and that is perhaps why.
     
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