Where Do Your Rights Come From?

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  1. Martin Alonzo

    Martin Alonzo Supreme Member
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    Do you think your rights come from God or Government??
    I think God gave you the right to breath unrestricted
    Government said you have to be gagged [mask]
    I think God gave us the right to interact with others.
    Government said you have to be six feet apart.
    I think God gave us the job of looking after are body.
    Government says we can inject things into your body [vaccines]
    Hope God wins

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    Interesting point of view. Where is it written that God gives us any rights?
     
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  3. Al Amoling

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    Try the Constitution
     
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    13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. (Romans 13: 1,2)
     
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  5. Martin Alonzo

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    We had those rights before governments took them away from us so I would think they came from a higher power.
     
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  6. Lon Tanner

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    You mean James Madison?
     
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  7. Joseph Carl

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    Through government proclamations, public speeches, private writings, and the Declaration of Independence itself, it's certain that our country's founding fathers believed in God, freedom, and rights derived from the God of the Bible. Any Christian should recognize this history and agree that the Creater of the universe and giver of all life is the ultimate source of any human or moral rights that we hold. That would of course include the right to life, as well as certain others that could be inferred from the scriptures.

    As a Christian myself though, I wouldn't want to conclude that God is the giver or source of all rights. As Americans, most of us have a right to own a gun, to vote, and to not be imprisoned for our debts. These may be good or important rights, but they came from Godly men, not necessarily from God. And in the case of abortion, which any American has a legal right to, I think it's safe to say that this is a civil right granted by man (7 to be exact), not a divine right granted by God.

    So, rights come from both man and God. One thing that American history has shown though is that a nation based on Christian principles offers its society more individual rights and freedoms than those nations without such principles.
     
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  8. Yvonne Smith

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    I meant to post this yesterday, and then got distracted and forgot to do it; but September 17th was our National Constitution Day, which seem to me to be more important than the little tings like “today is national dog day” and such as that.
    So, a day late, but Happy Constitution Day, everyone !

    https://constitutionday.com/
     
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  9. Hal Pollner

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    Our Original Rights came from the Magna Carta.
     
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  10. Ed Wilson

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    They used to come from my ex.
     
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  11. Joseph Carl

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    The Magna Carta is labeled as the first great human rights document and thus was probably familiar material to generations of nation builders. But, it was not the primary source of America's rights and freedoms. That recognition can only go to the Bible. For believers and skeptics alike, I offer this brief history of America's foundations not being taught in public schools anymore.

    In 1636 the Pilgrims compiled “the first comprehensive body of law in North America," which served as a model for future American codes of laws. These laws were based upon Scripture and English precedent. The Laws of the Pilgrims were later revised in 1658, 1671, and 1685, but they all were based upon the idea that the only true law was the law of God as revealed in the Bible. The preface to the 1671 Book of Laws states that “Laws ... are so far good and wholesome, as by how much they are derived from, and agreeable to the ancient Platform of God's Law.” The specific statutes reflected their biblical philosophy of life. They even quoted Scriptures to support many of their Capital Laws.

    A Puritan exodus from England began about 10 years after the Pilgrims first settled in America. The magistrates relied on the Old Testament law, but to make civil laws more plain, Rev. Ward drafted the Massachusetts Body of Liberties in 1641. This combined biblical law and English common law (which was itself rooted in biblical truth). The Scriptures were the source of the penal laws, civil liberties, and other ideas in the Body of Liberties. In section 94 where the capital laws are listed, specific scripture verses are given to support such laws. Section 95 is “A Declaration of the Liberties the Lord Jesus hath given to the Churches.” Many other ideas in the document come directly from the Scriptures, such as section 47: “No man shall be put to death without the testimony of two or three witnesses or that which is equivalent thereunto.” Other colonies would later follow the example of what Massachusetts did in the Body of Liberties. These would eventually have a great effect on the Bill of Rights of the U.S. Constitution.

    There were at least 86 constitution-like documents written in colonial America from the time of colonization until 1722, and there were 42 others written in England during America’s first century. These documents laid foundational ideas upon which American constitutionalism was built. They contained general principles, such as covenant, self-government, virtue, and the biblical purpose of government, and also showed the direct biblical foundation of American law, for example, acknowledging God, quoting scripture in capital laws, and presenting biblical penalties for violation of the law.

    A study was published in The American Political Science Review that listed the citations from about 15,000 political documents written by America's Founding Founders between 1760 and 1805. By far the most quoted source in these political documents was the Bible - 34% of all citations. The great majority of the remaining sources were from writers with biblical ideas. In addition, almost every one of the Founders were Christians who had a biblical worldview. Even the 2 or 3 non-professing Christians at the Convention had a biblical view of life.
     
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  12. John Brunner

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    Mine had a mean left, but never threw a right.
     
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    You had the right to remain silent.
     
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    Today we watched The Trump Card, a documentary by Dinesh d’Souza . We thought it would be about President Trump, but it is a documentary that goes back to the days of Abraham Lincoln, and talked about the gradual growth of socialism in this country, and compares it with socialism in other countries.
    It does feature President Trump, and shows how he is trying to protect this country from falling into deep state socialism ; but it is definitely not just a documentary about Trump himself.
    We rented it for $3.99 and it is also for sale as a dvd, already sold out on Amazon, at least for now. I think that it is worth the time to watch it, and it should not be offensive to anyone, it basically is an educational movie.
    Here is the trailer:

     
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  15. Ruby Begonia

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    In the Declaration of Independence I believe.

    The Declaration of Independence | National Archives
    https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Preamble to the Declaration of Independence The Declaration of Independence states the principles on which our government, and our identity as Americans, are based.
     
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