This Coronavirus Problem

Discussion in 'Viruses' started by Thomas Stearn, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Holly Saunders

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    I'm astonished at this Yvonne...wow!!!.... :eek:
     
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    One of the consequences that I was reading about , was that produce and meat that has been being shipped over here for sale from China is now not being shipped.
    I am pretty sure that even the food items that have been shipped might not be selling very well at this point either. Since China owns Smithfield Farms, one of the largest producers of pork, which is grown here, then shipped to China for processing before being shipped back here as some kind of processed pork; we may well be seeing food shortages.
    Chicken, pork, fish, and other seafoods often come from China, as well as most of our pharmacy medications, and just a lot of the products that are sold in stores like Walmart.
    As @Thomas Stearn mentioned, he didn’t even want to go to an Italian restaurant and eat, just because some people in Italy have come down with the virus.
    Undoubtedly, many other people will be doing the same thing, even if the place is perfectly safe.
    I think that stocking up on some canned or dried foods is just a prudent idea at this point, because we have no idea if this is going to blow over (like usually happens), or turn into something huge and shut down a lot of our fresh food here in the United States.

    Here is a short video showing that Italy is almost shut down, store shelves are empty, people who can get out are not being able to buy anything, and I don’t think that Italy has that much of a problem at this point, for things to be this bad.

    Also...... for whatever reason.....San Francisco has declared a state of emergency over the coronavirus, and I don’t think that they have any people sick down there. They need to be dealing with the homeless and other problems that they already have first !

     
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    What upsets me more here in the UK is...even though we have only a few confirmed cases in the whole country thus far...that we as an Island had the very first chance to close our borders... we don't sit cheek by jowl with any other country as all other European countries do... or as the Americas' do ..., so we had the best chance to lead against this virus by closing our sea ports and to prevent any further people from entering who may be infected...for example by air

    One of the major problems in that argument tho' is that we import so much into the country now, rather than manufacturing or growing our own, it couldn't be sustainable for more than a matter of a very short space of time to have sea ports closed . Therefore, we're caught between the devil and the deep blue sea... .. literally
     
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    The overuse of antibiotics has given rise to all sorts of microbes that are harmful. To prescribe an antibiotic for a viral infection is unconscionable. There are antivirals that have been developed. The do not cure, but mitigate the effects of the infection.
     
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    Just noticed that there are quite often things, also minor ones, that sound agreeable to me because they are reasonable, pragmatic, down-to-earth, in short, things I can identify with. That's all.
     
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    Agree to the first sentence wholeheartedly. That applies to large-scale livestock farming in particular.

    With human beings it depends because it's quite often a multiple infection, basically viral but with a bacterial superinfection on top. Once I had been suffering from a common cold. The doctor shrug his shoulders and didn't do anything for it was viral. After several days I could hardly swallow any more and had an enormous pain in my throat every few minutes. He then gave me a three-day-antibiotic and it went away immediately. Wouldn't have wanted to miss out.
     
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    I consider that high praise. :D Thanks.
     
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    Well, naturally, Thomas, I, as a nurse quite understand that. I wasn't implying that bacterial infections should not be treated accordingly.
     
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    I have a feeling California is going to be a state with a lot of cases.....think we have the most now and the news I've been reading makes me believe there’s going to be a lot more.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-diagnosis-reported-no-connection-cases.html

    Also read yesterday that a stewardess on Korean Air worked three trips to LAX without knowing she had the virus.

    also spent some time in LA between flights also.
     
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  11. Thomas Stearn

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    Small wonder because one of the treacherous characteristics of the virus is that it makes a person contagious long before he or she notices any symptoms. They become super-spreaders.
     
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    I just heard on the evening news that a DOG has tested positive for the virus. Eeek. Can you imagine the implications of this??
     
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    They would be very inconvenient. The WHO has not yet confirmed, though, that pets can be infected with the virus. Yet panta rhei...:(
    Pets can be infected with other corona viruses but not with COVID-19.
     
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    Canine coronavirus already exists and is quite common worldwide. It is easily treated with medicines that have been around since ca. 300 BC, and is currently a common ingredient in dental care. It's silly to think of any reason why it hasn't been brought to the public's attention!
     
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    Yes, but this dog tested "weak positive" for the COVID-19 strain. They have not confirmed whether the dog is actually infected or just carrying the virus in his nose and mouth due to "environmental contamination." The dog has been quarantined in HongKong.
     
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