Poaching Employees

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  1. Peter Renfro

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    Is this normal in the construction industry? My daughter started working for a large regional contractor about three years ago. Don't know her job title,but she audits proposals and contracts looking for accounting errors,cost discrepancies,etc. She is the girl in the trailer.
    Any way about 9 months ago another larger contractor approached her un solicited offered her a better deal and took her away.
    Just last week yet a third contractor offered her a position. Is this a normal course of business? I love to see her do better, but I am afraid of her being known as a job hopper. Is that even a concern in this day and age>
     
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    Very common, no big deal. Happens in many businesses, everyday. In my bandleader days, I had some of my guys go off with other bands, occasionally. In my tattoo shop days, new shops would always promise established tattooists, in other shops, more work at their shops. In the tree biz, crew members get enticed away, regularly. Job hopping is a way of life, even more, now, than it was in my busy years. There's even the saying, "The time to start looking for a better job, is the first day on your new job!" Go figure.......
     
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    People do become "job hoppers" when offered a better position with better pay, but the pay should be quit a bit higher than they are currently being paid.

    And, some people, like myself and my wife, became "job hoppers" due to moving from one state to another, getting laid-off, company closed, being terminated or, just plain not ending up liking the position or co-workers of a company.
     
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    Hey Trevalius…….not to be "off topic", but I'm a former full-set Ludwig drum player from years ago. And, I do mean "years ago". I played Wipe Out, some Paul Revere & The Raiders, Steppenwolf and other stuff from 60's/70's. Wife and I listen, and watch DVD concerts of: AC/DC, Van Halen (David Lee Roth era), Boston, Deep Purple, Heart, ELO, Styx and on and on.

    Thing is, nobody in the band I played in had any tattoos (at that time, anyway). I still don't at age 70-to-be 71 shortly.
     
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  5. Ken Anderson

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    Yeah, I think it is. Probably not in every industry, though. While I was working in the paper bag business, I got offers from other bag companies and ambulance companies are always recruiting from other ambulance companies.
     
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    Interesting. I've never heard of the term 'job hopper' but I certainly understand if a better offer came along I'd give me notice and pray I'm not jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

    I kind of see it as scouts for athletes. Once they see that resume they got to at least try to get you to come on board.
     
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  7. Ken Anderson

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    I didn't like it when someone hired one of my medics away from me while I owned an ambulance company because they often took patients with them. The profit in an ambulance company comes, not from the 9-1-1 emergency calls, but from the non-emergency transfers since we don't have to make those runs unless we're satisfied that payment will be made, and regular transfer patients often get attached to a particular medic, so if that medic moves to another company, he sometimes takes some of his patients with him. Medics who do this too often do have trouble finding work at some point since anyone hiring them knows that they might do it to them too. However, recruitments from companies that don't work in the same area aren't a problem, and some medics worked for a couple of companies at the same time, since two shifts equaled 40 hours plus 8 hours overtime. There were also medics who moved around but would not take patients with them.
     
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    I can feel for @Peter Renfro and his concern for his daughter. Even though there is no real sin going for the bigger carrot, it doesn’t look great on a resume’ and sooner or later it “could” catch up.

    There are a couple of ways to look at it. In every position of authority I have ever had, I went out of my way to find the best people I could find who would fit with other existing employees and salary structure. Normally, I would hear in the wind that someone was ready to make a change but that doesn’t mean that people with solid positions were off limits.
    I dare say that there isn’t a business in the world who doesn’t want experienced people with a proven track record. Heck, even some church boards go out head hunting and I’m not talking about interviewing prospects fresh out of seminary.

    Now, getting back to Pete’s query, in a way it might sound a bit hypocritical but if a prospect came to me looking for a position and his or her resume’ read like an excerpt from someone’s travel journal, then I would give the application a lot less consideration no matter how experienced that person was.
    The one saving grace for his daughter is that it doesn’t seem like she has been looking for a change but rather given offers of opportunity. The only problem with that is that the new employer cannot check that special mental box called “loyalty” so the new hire must strive a lot harder to check that other mental box called “trust’.

    All that said, yeah, it’s normal to want to improve the back pocket at whatever cost. Not great, but it’s normal.
     
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  9. Peter Renfro

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    It is really none of my business anyway. She is 30 married with three children. I just don't have it in me to quit being Dad. Try like hell, but it is hard to achieve.
     
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    Bandleader days? Trevalius, that's interesting!

    What kind of music...Swing? Rock? Dance Music?
    Did you play as well as conduct?
    I played electric (and standup) Bass in a Senior Citizens Dance Band.
    Hal
     

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  11. Bobby Cole

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    I’m sure to her, you’ll never quit being dad. That’s what dads are supposed to do. It’s a 24/7 job that no one else can do. Call it, “job security” ! :)
     
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    She should think beyond the job offer although it is flattering. Why did the previous person leave? The boss could be a tyrant. What are the prospects of job security / longevity? I always found it stressful for a while when beginning a new job. Never was sure if it was what I expected or if I was up to the challenge. Takes a while to settle in.
     
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    Follow the money, I always say. Of course Ed Wilson has a very valid point to say the least.
     
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    Mostly, I'm pretty happy that I have never left one job for another on the basis of money alone. In fact, while some of the job changes that I have made did result in higher pay, that wasn't the reason at all. Usually, it was one of two other considerations: either I had grown unhappy with some aspect of the job that I had at the time, or I was bored and wanted to do something else for a while. Although I could have probably made more money or earned better benefits staying at some of the jobs that I've had rather than leaving, I can say that I have almost always enjoyed whatever it was that I was doing for a living, and when it ceased to be enjoyable, that was when I began paying attention to other options.

    The only change that I can remember making strictly on the basis of pay or benefits was when I left Los Fresnos to go to work for Catalina Ambulance Company. I had been working seven days a week, on-call twenty-four hours a day with Los Fresnos, serving as the EMS Director, health inspector, and building inspector, plus I volunteered with the fire department. One year, I submitted a budget that included $8,000 a year to pay for hire someone to cover for me on weekends, and it was turned down, so I took another job that had already been offered to me. I probably could have forgiven that if not for the fact that I knew why it had come about. The police chief was upset because I was making more money than he was, a fact that came about only because I took on the added job of the building inspector, which saved the city 50% over what they had been paying a part-time building inspector, but it put my salary above that of the police chief. But he worked 9 to 5, Monday-Friday, then went home to another city in the evenings and weekends. Still, from the time that he complained that my salary was higher than his, I didn't receive a single increase in my department's budget.
     
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    Poaching employees? Naaaah...I would prefer them scrambled or over easy.

    Howl
     
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