Has The Virus Changed Your Lifestyle?

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  1. Al Amoling

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    So like other arguments people make, if it saves one it doesn't matter how many it hurts. Got it thanks
     
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    But, who does it hurt??
     
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  3. Al Amoling

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    I know that there are people, like my wife, who if forced to wear one are less likely to live
     
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  4. Sheldon Scott

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    If everyone wore masks they would be protected from the flu and common cold as well as the coronavirus.
     
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  5. Peter Renfro

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    Why would that be AL? Wearing a mask neither lowers your oxygen level nor increases the carbon dioxide level. Maybe cystic fibrosis, or severe COPD. I expect in either case the person would be on oxygen and therefore it is all moot!
     
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  6. Al Amoling

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    You don't know what you're talking about. It lowers the oxygen getting into your system.
     
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    RETIRED SURGEON Sam Laucks, has this to say about wearing masks:

    “OK, here’s my rant...

    I have spent the past 39 years working in the field of surgery. For a significant part of that time, I have worn a mask. I have worked with hundreds (probably thousands) of colleagues during those years, who have also worn masks.

    Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from lack of oxygen. Not a single one of us became ill, passed out or died from breathing too much carbon dioxide. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from re-breathing a little of our own exhaled air.

    Let’s begin here by putting those scare tactics to rest!

    (It is true that some people, with advanced lung diseases, may be so fragile that a mask could make their already-tenuous breathing more difficult. If your lungs are that bad, you probably shouldn’t be going out in public at the present time anyway; the consequences if you are exposed to Covid-19 would likely be devastating.)

    ~ “But”, you ask, “can’t viruses go right through the mask, because they are so small?” (“Masks keep viruses out just as well as a chain link fence keeps mosquitoes out,” some tell us.) It is true that individual virus particles can pass through the pores of a mask; however, viruses don’t move on their own. They do not fly across the room like a mosquito, wiggle through your mask like a worm, or fly up your nose like a gnat.
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    ~ The virus is essentially nothing more than a tiny blob of genetic material. Covid-19 travels in a CARRIER – the carrier is a fluid droplet- fluid droplets that you expel when you cough, sneeze, sing, laugh, talk or simply exhale. Most of your fluid droplets will be stopped from entering the air in the room if you are wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is a very efficient way to protect others if you are carrying the virus (even if you don’t know that you are infected). In addition, if someone else’s fluid droplets happen to land on your mask, many of them will not pass through. This gives the wearer some additional protection, too. But, the main reason to wear a mask is to PROTECT OTHERS. Even if you don’t care about yourself, wear your mask to protect your neighbors, co-workers and friends!
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    ~ A mask is certainly not 100% protective. However, it appears that the severity of Covid-19 infection is at least partially “dose-dependent.” In other words, the more virus particles that enter your body, the sicker you are likely to become. Why not decrease that volume if you can? “What have you got to lose?!”
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    ~ “But doesn’t a requirement or a request to wear a mask violate my constitutional rights?” You’re also not allowed to go into the grocery store if you are not wearing pants. You can’t yell “fire” in the Produce Department. You’re not allowed to urinate on the floor in the Frozen Food Section. Do you object to those restrictions? Rules, established for the common good, are component of a civilized society.
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    ~ “But aren’t masks uncomfortable?” Some would say that underwear or shoes can be uncomfortable, but we still wear them. (Actually, being on a ventilator is pretty darned uncomfortable, too!) Are masks really so bad that you can’t tolerate them, even if they will help keep others healthy?
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    ~ “But won’t people think I’m a snowflake or a wimp if I wear a mask?” I hope you have enough self-confidence to overcome that.
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    ~ “But I never get sick; I’m not worried.” Well, then, wear a mask for the sake of the rest of us who are not so perfect!

    There is good evidence that masks make a real difference in diminishing the transmission of Covid-19. Please, for the sake of others (and for the sake of yourself), wear your mask when in public. It won’t kill you!

    P.S. - And, by the way, please be sure that BOTH your nose and mouth are covered!

    Recommendations around mask usage are confusing. The science isn't.

    Evidence shows that masks are extremely effective to slow the coronavirus and may be the best tool available right now to fight it.
     
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  8. Beth Gallagher

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    Sorry Al, but I think that is bunk. We have a box of those medical masks that don't impede breathing at all. If people are that fragile they should be staying home as much as possible anyhow.
     
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  9. Yvonne Smith

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    I have one of those medical masks, and it was given to me by the hospital here , the last time I went in for the cardioversion. I have also tried several other ones (Humana even sent me masks), and I can’t breathe properly in any of them. A few minutes of trying to breathe and I am literally gasping for fresh air, and pulling the mask down over my nose so I can breathe again.
    I do not go anywhere that requires a mask, except for the doctors office, which is necessary, or I would not even do that.

    I am not worried about getting a virus, but I am definitely worried about not having enough oxygen in my brain and in my body. There are a lot of doctors who are warning people about this very thing, so it is not just happening to me.
    Some people may breathe fine in a mask; but I am not one of those people.
     
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    If everyone stayed in their bathrooms all day, every day, we'd all be protected too, but what's the point?
     
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    Great post !
     
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    I could be wrong, but I am guessing that you were paid pretty well for your work. Having worked in hospitals, I have noticed that both the doctors and the nurses couldn't get their masks off their faces fast enough after leaving the room, and I know how they feel. They are uncomfortable and most of us aren't being paid a surgeon's salary to wear them.
     
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    Kind of interesting how many different reasons people who don't wear a mask come up with. Even monetary reasons are offered. Leaving aside rare cases of objectors where doctors have strictly forbidden them from wearing a mask because of health issues, the vast and vociferous majority of people over here simply refuse to wear a mask for ideological reasons only. Some of them even beat up bus drivers or sales staff if they are refused entry. Others said some weeks ago they would rather be starving than entering a supermarket with a mask to buy food but they still seem to enjoy life. I prefer calling a spade a spade.
     
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  14. Sheldon Scott

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    C'mon Ken. You stay in the bathroom, I'll wear a mask.
     
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  15. Yvonne Smith

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    The World Health Organization has now released information that completely reverses what they have been saying. Now, they say that there is not reason to wear a mask or practice social distancing , unless you have actual covid symptoms. Anyone who does not have symptoms is NOT contagious, according to the new video that they just put out.

    Hoping that this will stop the new rules that are coming out everywhere, even though the curve is flattened, and there are almost no new deaths.

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