You could spin off of this topic into the area of single mothers with absentee fathers who are stressed out with trying to raise a child on their own and make a living at the same time. Then you could jump into avoiding an unwanted child by abortion. What a mess.
here in georgia if a child is acting up we tell them they are being ugly---did the mother of the child say she was ugly or being ugly?
For over 3 decades, children taken by the state (in the usa) do worse(get raped, hurt, etc) than if left with their parents. Where have you all been living ? Please stop!, and Don't promote that which causes more harm than good, as foster care has done daily for decades. More than half of abuse in care settlement money spent on ... https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national...use-in-care-settlement-money-spent-on-process The claims cover people who were abused in state care, including foster families and residential homes overseen by what was then the Social Welfare Department and Child, Youth and Family and now the responsibility of MSD. More than 2229 claims remain unresolved and about 40 new ones are coming in each month. Sexual Abuse: An Epidemic in Foster Care Settings? - HG.org [Search domain www.hg.org/legal-articles/sexual-abuse-an-epidemic-in-foster-care-settings-6703] https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/sexual-abuse-an-epidemic-in-foster-care-settings-6703 A study by John Hopkins University found that children who are in foster care are four times more likely to be sexually abused than other children not in this setting. Additionally, children who are in group homes are 28 times more likely to be abused than children not living in these homes. Male and female children may be sexually abused. No one checks on kids who lived with abusive foster parents [Search domain www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2020/10/15/no-one-checks-on-kids-who-previously-lived-with-abusive-foster-parents/5896724002/] https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/n...lived-with-abusive-foster-parents/5896724002/ Oct 15, 2020"The rate of abuse in foster care is much worse than official statistics suggest," said Richard Wexler, executive director of the National Coalition for Child Protection Reform. Foster care children: How their life experiences differ ... [Search domain journalistsresource.org/studies/society/housing/foster-care-children-life-experiences-abuse/] https://journalistsresource.org/studies/society/housing/foster-care-children-life-experiences-abuse/ More than 34 percent of children placed in foster care and 7 percent of all children had ever observed one of their parents abusing the other, or an adult in their home hitting or kicking another adult. Children who had been placed in foster care were more likely than low-income children to have these adverse experiences.
While I won't argue this specific incident, overall I don't think that's an accurate statement. What is considered abuse today cheapens the meaning of the word, and teachers and other school officials frequently overstep the boundaries of common sense and, as a consequence, make it far more difficult for parents to effectively parent their chlildren. A school counselor called a friend of mine once to complain because she (my friend) had grounded her 15-year-old daughter from football games after she came home at 3:00 in the morning after one game. The counselor referred to this as abuse and started to go on about how important it was for teenagers to take part in extracurricular activities. She probably would have continued, but my friend hung up on her about then and straightened it out with the school principal the following day. My wife and I raised our nephew from the age of twelve on. He suffered from a condition that is in the autism spectrum, although he was functional, and became fully functional by the time he was an adult. We enrolled him in public school the first semester he was with us but homeschooled him from then on because of constant interference from teachers who didn't have a clue as to what they were dealing with, but yet were certain that they knew more than we did. They believed everything our nephew told them, however nonsensical, blissfully unaware that crazy lying was a common sign of the disorder he suffered from. In his senior year, we enrolled him in a Christian school so that he could graduate with a degree from an institution, and he is doing surprisingly well. Another couple we know, who we met because their child suffered from the same disorder as our nephew, nearly lost her job and her marriage because of accusations made by clueless teachers, who believed everything their adopted child told them, despite the fact that lying is one of the most common signs of the disorder. Because of her experience, which greatly complicated their child's recovery, we decided to get our nephew out of the public school before they dragged us down too. So, while I will not argue against your own expertise on such matters, and I am sure there are very good school teachers, I do believe that you are incorrect when you assume that all - or even most - teachers are well trained in recognizing abuse. Teachers generally make determinations based on only one side of the evidence, and then they lock themselves into the positions they have erroneously taken. Then there is also the fact that teachers are themselves often the abusers. Again, I have no reason to believe that any of this applies to you, or the job that you have done during your career, but I am speaking specifically to your comment that "we teachers are trained to recognize abuse." Teachers are trained to know when to make accusations, but these accusations are often based on incomplete, faulty, or downright false information, and they do not themselves take responsibility for the harm that these accusations might cause.
Well, like most everything in life, one person's idea of child abuse might not be another person's idea. Like this..........many Seniors of today say spanking a child isn't abuse, whereas today, it is considered abuse. Grabbing an unruly child by the arm and saying "straighten up", while in a store, some would consider abuse, while others would not. Actually, at 19 years old, while in Navy Basic Training, I could call the training "abusive" due to all of the "in my face" yelling I went thru. Then, there was the new Recruit onboard ship stuff I went thru. And, this is the Navy Basic, not what a person goes thru at Marine Corp or Army training, of which, some would definitely call abuse, but it's not. Now, what I'm wondering about is, Silvia, how will you feel if CPS deems the mother didn't do anything wrong?
Ken, I definitely believe in what I've highlighted in red. When I worked as an EMT, I can't remember one time that I got a medical call, from PD or Fire for a child that was abused.
I have, perhaps because I worked in a different part of the country, or maybe I worked EMS longer than you did, but I've been called for some pretty horrendous cases of child abuse.
In my first post in this thread, the very reason I mentioned that “I wasn’t there” is specifically because of the reason you gave. I’m from the south also and am guilty of telling kids AND adults alike when they are Being ugly as opposed to “you’re ugly”.
All of my calls were in Los Angeles and Orange County, California. That was back in the mid 70's. I handled mostly vehicle accidents and OD's and........well, Ken, I'm straining my mind to even remember. LOL Anyway, back then, there were two other ambulance companies that handled calls also. I only worked EMS, and it wasn't called "EMS" back then, for about 3 years.
Parents today are supposed to be afraid to tell their children that they did something stupid because the poor little darling might interpret that to mean that she was stupid, and that is abuse, and to watch every word that they say because, to jokingly say, "What an idiot" is now considered child abuse.
So far as basic training goes, we low crawled with footlockers on our backs and were brow beaten with some pretty filthy language but that WAS part of the training we needed. War isn’t filled with pretty words, lace and tea sets. That said, they’re pretty different now. No cursing, no brow beating, no off the books physical training. Off course, it goes without saying that when a GI signs up for higher and more brutal training, you get what you asked for.
Too true and if I could give post #36 and this one more than one like I would have. I do detest when someone calls a kid stupid but to tell a kid when they’re doing stupid stuff is just a check up from the neck up to me.