Bidens New 1.7 Trillion Plan

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  1. Marie Mallery

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    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...trillion-infrastructure-offer-to-republicans/

    But Biden’s compromise is sure to anger many Democrats.

    “It’s not $800 billion compared to $2.3 billion,” said Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) about the first plan. “I think we should move forward with our bill.”

    When Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) was asked if she supports bipartisanship on the legislation, she replied, “Absolutely not. Because we might lose our coalition for human infrastructure.”

    “I do not think that the White House should relegate recovery to the judgment of Mitch McConnell because he will not function in good faith,” said Gillibrand, who believes bipartisanship is “a terrible political misstep.”
     
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    Still gonna give over $400,000 to every illegal while monitoring Am'ericans $600/month banking transactions?
     
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    The problem is calling this "Biden's Plan." We all know he's a mental deficient barely able to sign his name, so I'm positive he had absolutely ZERO input on "his" plan. :rolleyes:
     
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    I've posted elsewhere that a claim that contains the word strings: "It's a proven fact," or ''Everybody knows," usually has nothing to back it up. I suspect that "We all know" is similar.
     
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    Nothing to back it up? LOL



     
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    Back on topic....

    No one seems to know for sure what Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema really want. If it weren't for them, would someone else step up and take their place?

    I believe Manchin is just a deficit hawk. At least he is consistent, called the McConnell 2017 tax cuts horrible in his press conference Monday, and is willing to roll back some of it. He seems to be suffering from that ailment .... Fear that one guy down the street might get something he doesn't deserve, means nobody should get anything. Determining eligibility as specific as he apparently wants would likely cost more than the benefits.

    Similarly he is against revision of Medicare to add coverage for dental, hearing and vision. The plan was expected to cost around $350 billion over a decade. So apparently he thinks the plan is not truly paid for. Pity we don't have that $2 trillion in tax cuts back to pay for it.

    West Virginia did expand Medicaid under the ACA starting on January 1, 2014. It is one of the states which benefits most from federal money, receiving much more than they pay in. While Manchin claims to admire former Sen. Robert Byrd, I think Byrd would turn over in his grave wondering why Manchin does not take the money and run.

    Kyrsten Sinema is even more of a puzzle. She is a former Green Party anti-war activist. Also opposed the 2017 tax cuts, but is a no-go on rolling them back one penny. She's very supportive of the environmental agenda and almost all the other things in the bill, except the plan to allow Medicare to negotiate lower prescription drug prices.

    I notice Big Pharma (PhARM) already has a scare ad out on TV claiming that negotiating prices down will mean you won't be able to get some of your drugs at all. That lobbyist group claims the excessive cost of drugs in the US is needed to fund research. Of course the drug companies comply with foreign countries who DO negotiate their prices down, because they have no other choice, and they can afford to, as long as Medicare doesn't.

    The problem is this bill has to be so large because they only get one shot at a bill that can pass with a simple majority. Otherwise breaking it up would solve the problem. It only takes one email from one Senator to invoke the filibuster, which then requires 60% for passage.
     
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    Remarks on the House floor Tuesday concerning the 2 bills (Infrastructure and the $1.7 Trillion).

    (2:00 mins)
     
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    Despite all that's happened and despite all you could have learned, you still express yourself with a nasty mouth making nasty unproven claims to show how clever and sarcastic you can be. There's so much more to you but it seems some things just don't change. A pity. The floor's all yours to be outraged.
     
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    So sad that you can't see the truth that's displayed every time he tries to speak.
     
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    I don't recall asking for your permission, but thanks anyway. If you can't see the man is senile, please schedule an eye check ASAP. (And FYI, not "outraged" so much as "dismayed.")
     
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    It seems that the post you and I were responding to has been deleted......
     
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  12. Beth Gallagher

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    ??? It's still there, Al.
     
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    my eye sight must be failing....I don't see it Aha it doesn't show ignored content see it now
     
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    I’d like to do what I’m sure the President and over half of Congress hasn’t done. I want to read all 1,700 pages of the bill but all that’s really out there are portions that one party or the other do or do not like. I also want to read, in full, why Biden is saying that the American taxpayer will not have to pay the nut.
    Note: Heck, Joe couldn’t make it through the G-20 without falling asleep so I doubt if he proofread his own bill which I agree, he probably had little to do with.

    Now, maybe if this yet again “omnibus” bill were to be broken down into individual initiatives then all of Congress could read each one, debate then vote.
    But nope, gotta pile it higher and deeper to insure someone’s lobbyist paid whims are met.
     
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    The bill is being introduced under the "reconciliation" process in the Senate. Reconciliation bills only require a simple majority to pass, and are not subject to a filibuster. The reconciliation process can usually only be used on one bill per year.

    That means if one part of the omnibus bill were separated out and passed under reconciliation, every other piece of the bill introduced later could not use reconciliation this year. Those later parts/bills would be subject to a filibuster. If one Senator calls for a filibuster, it would require super majority (60%) to proceed to even consider the bill.

    One Senator is often likely to call for a filibuster, because there will be at least one against most any bill. I think I read it only requires sending an email to the majority leader. So, in short, it would take a 60% majority to pass all but the first piece of legislation if the bill were split up.

    By the way, the latest rule of the reconciliation process is called The Byrd Rule, named after the Senator from WV, and probably why Joe Manchin is so against changing it.
     
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