And The Mass Shootings Continue!

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  1. Cody Fousnaugh

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    Easy lady, easy!! You'll get your blood pressure up too high and then? Anyway, there is a nation full of Democrats, as there are Republicans. Guess, when it comes to political sides, Americans will never get along.
     
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    Al, we change the people running our government all the time and people still complain! IOW, Al, will America ever, ever be happy and content?? Very good question, huh?
     
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    My blood pressure is low and remains that way. I can get pissed and remain calm and clear-headed. A little something I learned from all my ranching years.
     
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    Critical Race Theory taught badly and transgender-ism to very young, elementary kids. I don't think they can understand or decide for themselves that they want to be mutilated yet.
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    beyond tragic..….. Now it appears that 4 children are orphaned due to one of the slain teachers husband dying suddenly from a heat attack due to grief
    leaving 4 children between 13- 23 with no parents
    This is heartbreaking

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/irma-joe-garcia-texas-school-shooting-broken-heart-syndrome/
    Copied this.

    The husband of one of the teachers slain in Tuesday's mass shooting in Uvalde, Texas has reportedly died of a heart attack just two days later.

    Joe Garcia was the husband of Irma Garcia, who taught for 23 years at Robb Elementary School.

    Mrs Garcia was one of the two teachers killed by a gunman that left 21 dead - including 19 children.

    The couple - who were married for 24 years - is survived by four children.

    On Twitter, a nephew of Mrs Garcia, John Martinez, said that Mr Garcia "passed away due to grief" in the wake of his wife's murder.
     
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  6. Ken Anderson

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    I'm hearing on the radio that the police didn't go in for more than 40 minutes, except for one cop who went in and took his own kids out. The shooter was outside shooting for about 12 minutes before going into the school. If true, while I can understand that cops don't want to be shot any more than anyone else does, and the police are under no legal obligation to keep us safe, it is especially aggravating to know that public officials in both major political parties (but mostly the Democrats) want so badly to disarm us all so that we are wholly unprotected.

    Consider it. Guns are not allowed in most schools. Caring not a bit about gun laws, this dress-wearing nutcase starts shooting at people who, observing the gun prohibitions, are unable to protect themselves. The police, the only ones legally allowed to carry a gun on the premises, are called, but they wait in safety outdoors for 40 minutes.

    We have to undo these dumb-ass gun laws, obviously not to allow elementary school kids to carry guns to school, but to provide a situation where someone might be in place to shoot back. Schools that educate minors are a more difficult situation, but adults who want to be able to defend themselves should be allowed to do so, especially given that the police are not obligated to put their own lives on the line for us or our children. Obviously, some do, and have, but they are not obligated to and, given that, it's outrageous that we are unable to legally defend ourselves in many places throughout the country.
     
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    I don't particularly care for the "shoot out in the playground" scenario, but seems to me that school buildings should have controlled access during school hours. Apparently the shooter just walked right in and started shooting.
     
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    Neither am I, but I'm far less in favor of giving these nutcases free access to kill whoever they want while the police remain hidden behind their cars. These nutcases, many of them at least, are not concerned about being killed themselves, as some of them don't intend to come out alive, but they do want to be free to kill enough people so that they can get in the newspapers and maybe get their own Wikipedia page. If they had to be concerned about armed security, or even if they didn't know whether or not another adult in the school might be armed, I think we'd have fewer of these shootings. As it is, schools are safe havens for mass murderers, at least for the first ten minutes, and sometimes much longer. We'll probably see fewer church shootings as many churches are allowing people to be armed now.
     
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    We may moan and groan about it but millions of people fly every day and no guns or knives get past the check points.
    Thousands of people enter courthouses, state and Federal buildings and no one but security gets a gun or knife past the check points.

    How is it that every airport and every state and federal building in the WORLD has the equipment and manpower to prevent armed aggressors from getting in but yet our public schools are open for every degenerate who wants to see blood?
    If the Columbine incident didn’t start legislators to start thinking then the Sandy Hook one surely should have stopped the idiots in Washington from even debating about what has to be done to protect the kids whilst their in school.
    Ted Cruz among others have offered propositions since 2013 but yet the Dems have filibustered the bills into oblivion.

    They should all put their issues with the 2nd amendment way back on the furthest burner they can find and start really thinking about how easy it would be to stop the school killings.
    There will always be evil and crazy people and there will always be a way to get guns no matter what laws are put into place. What they need to figure out is how to keep the evil and crazy people from getting to the kids with their misappropriated weapons.

    If Washington can approve billions of dollars on Ukraine then they can find the cash to protect our kids.
     
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    I don't know, @Bobby Cole. We have schools with thousands of students, most of them arriving at the same time of the day. The time involved in doing a thorough check of every student coming into the school would be prohibitive, particularly since it would have to be done day after day. I've flown recently, and the time involved in getting through the checkpoint was high, and everyone entering the secure areas of the airport are not arriving at the same time. Checking other people coming into the building would be more reasonable, but most (or at least a lot) of school shootings are committed by students.
     
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    Seems to me that there aren’t many students skipping lunch because of long lines.

    I read an article recently that gave NY as the example what Not to do.
    They have some 800 schools that have implemented metal detectors but, because the security measures seem to create a “hostile” environment they’re thinking of reducing the use of them.
    Another case of Stinkin’ thinkin’ by a Dem run environment? Ooooooh….Johnny gets mad when we have broccoli for dinner.
    Screw Johnny! If he winds up dead from a bullet in his head the parents and teachers won’t have to worry if he gets upset when it’s his turn to go through the detector. If a school is safer because of the use of metal detectors and extra security then at least the parents can rest a little easier because their children will be able to study math instead of worrying about getting shot.

    Many schools throughout the nation even started a clear backpack policy but because somebody raised a stink about some privacy being invaded that the clear ones are phasing out.

    The other thing I can’t understand is the reluctance of arming teachers but it is what it is. I understand that some folks aren’t mentally equipped to even touch a firearm but If it was me going to college to be a teacher I’d also take a course at the firing range and submit to psych vals once a week if that’s what it takes to be armed in a classroom. I digress.
    That aside, why not have Armed security in each and every hallway and a lot more random locker checks? The high school I went to in Arlington Heights outside of Chicago had locker checks at least once a month and it was a good school.

    Federal grants for extra monies for schools that can’t afford that kind of security was proposed years ago but still, the Dems have filibustered those bills out and instead sit around and argue the validity of the 2nd amendment, abortion and now, redefining what a woman is.
    If the best they can readily think of is to have kids arm themselves with cans of beans and corn so that they can be thrown at a shooter, it’s time for them to go back to the drawing board.
     
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    I'm sure that armed security and metal detectors would garner a lot of complaints here because Millinocket is not known for its school shootings. However, at least half, if not more, of the teaching staff are familiar with guns, and would probably carry if they saw a reason to. They've only recently begun requiring visitors to check in before walking through the school, but that had to do with Covid rather than security.

    As for lunch lines, no one checks students' pockets and belongings at a lunch line. Plus, a lot of schools stagger their lunchtimes so that not everyone is coming in at once. I know they do here.
     
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    Yeah, I recognize that some schools might not need a lot of security.
    Your own Stearns Middle / High school only has around 258 students with 95% of them White and 3% Black with the balance made up with Asian and Hispanics and it looked like ya have one main entrance door going into the school.
    Still, 4% of the White population and 6% of the Black population has suffered expulsion or suspension but stats being what they are, that’s still not many students who have run into trouble.
    All ya’ll might need is a couple of security guards but the times they are a changin’.

    Compare that to a much larger school say, in NY city with 3K students of all demographics but those schools have multiple entries that look similar to the entrance and exit points to what we’d see at a Walmart. It may be inconvenient and uncomfortable but I still maintain that metal detectors are a viable part of a solution.

    All that said, the attitude of, It can’t happen here, keeps resonating in my brain because even though nearly all of us say it concerning our own lives when it comes to everything from car wrecks to cancer, it still does.
     
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    We have locked door policy and metal detectors here. Lots of new schools going up with the same all over the state. If people really wanted to protect the kids they would have said the hell with Washington and done it too. Right now!!! Yes, you would have people complaining about raising property taxes to cover the cost but if it were about saving lives and not about politics....
     
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    I don't see a problem with metal detectors at schools that are in need of them, but I can also understand the concerns, particularly if it were to be a blanket policy. Besides metal detectors, other measures would have to be in place. For example, while we do have one main door that people enter through in Millinocket, the Middle School is in the same building as the high school and there are no physical separations between the two schools, although the Middle School might have its own entrance. I'm not sure. If security measures were in place at the main door, all other exit doors would have to be secure as well, or a student working in concert could simply let someone in an exit door in order to avoid security.

    I think we all know that the longer a system is in place, the laxer it will tend to get, and the more likely students will find ways around it. I think back to a policy that a company I worked for instituted to have a guard at the entrance and to require employees to wear badges. After the first month, the guard was sleeping and many of us had changed the names on our badges to represent Disney characters, and no one noticed.

    There are no perfect solutions, but I think the best ones would be tailored to the specific needs of the community. If, as a society, we were less tolerable of things that shouldn't be tolerated, we'd be in a better position.
     
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