My Thoughts On Supplements

Discussion in 'Health & Wellness' started by Lon Tanner, Dec 24, 2020.

  1. Joy Martin

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    The link has a place to "join us" and maybe that has to be done to sign the petition...
     
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    I have been eating pickled eggs off and on since I was a child and I have not had heart disease, so I suppose I could say that this is proof positive that pickled eggs prevent heart disease. For that matter, I have never had sickle cell anemia or Grave's Disease either, so I suggest you get busy pickling those eggs. You don't want Grave's Disease.
     
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  3. Joy Martin

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    Pickled eggs have been your "prevention" Ken, interesting.

    Reminds me my mom made us beets and pickled eggs when I was at home..so good.
     
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    Since I too have not caught those diseases, you might just be right but it’s been my experience that overdosing on pickled eggs might result in a hefty fine from the new woke EPA for excessive flatulence.
     
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    No, sirree, never been sick a day in my life...

     
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    To be serious, unless a person is watching their LDL or sodium intake, substituting a meal with a couple of boiled or pickled eggs isn’t a bad idea. They’re filling, heavy in protein, vitamin D, iron and other nutrients, only about 70 calories each and because of those attributes they’re great for weight loss.

    Sadly though, the world can’t decide what the maximum allowance should be for boiled eggs. Off the top of my head, I think the EU says 3, Canada says 6 and the US recommendations says eat all you want. Go figure.
     
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    We are now getting 8 eggs daily, so we will be eating a lot eggs in any case, although we gave a couple dozen to our son's family with two teenage boys.
     
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    I am seriously laughing because @Ken Anderson just wrote about how eating eggs might have saved him from heart disease (chuckle), and now the whole thread is way off topic. People will probably be posting chicken pictures next…….

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    As you well know, excess flatulence in our house is no joke.
     
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    I'm seeking input (not medical advice) on potassium citrate supplements.

    I've had an issue with urinary tract infections ever since the medical community has been shoving stuff up inside of me. I am looking for a way to prevent them. I've been taking d-mannose, cranberry juice and cranberry capsules. My doctor's office told me to put lemon and juice in my water...oddly enough, citric acid makes the urine more alkaline. As I'm reading about some of the products that are out there (uqora) I see that some products contain citric acid as potassium citrate to "enhance the effectiveness of the d-mannose."

    I am trying to decide if potassium citrate is something I want to supplement. Drug websites indicate that this is available via prescription in doses of 15 to 30 milliequivalents (mEq). Supplements are available in 99mg capsules, recommending 1 to 5 capsules daily.

    One of the drug websites said to not take if you currently have a urinary tract infection. uqora's product to prevent the advancement of an active infection (their Emergency Kit) also recommends not taking their products that contain potassium citrate along with it, because making the urine alkaline reduces the effectiveness of that product effectiveness. I just finished a course of antibiotics Monday so things should be clean...although catheters tend to get colonized.

    Does anyone here have any experience supplementing potassium citrate? I have some citric acid on hand, but I understand that the industrialized form that's used for cleaning and food preservation is not the same citric acid that's found in lemons, limes, etc.

    As an aside, uqora Defend contains 600mg of d-mannose and recommends 1-2 capsules per day. AZO d-mannose recommends 2,000mg per day (4 x 500mg.) I'm currently supplementing 1,500mg.
     
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  12. Bobby Cole

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    Don’t know John.
    Since you already have renal problems, you probably know more about the use of potassium citrate for those problems than anyone here. Your lack of using it is probably made up by the amount of study you’ve put into it.
    It sounds reasonable that one would want to maintain a higher level of acid to help kill bacteria but then again, acidosis or rather, extra high levels of acid isn’t good either.

    I used to use the gluconate because I preferred the salt side of potassium to help level hormones and maybe used the citrate way back when I started my journey because it is supposedly good for fat loss and improved muscle mass, but neither one is presently in my arsenal of supplements because well, when I don’t see any notable difference after a few months, it’s gone.

    Again, for your purposes this gentleman has literally no clue. For my purposes it’s pretty safe stuff but we’re not talking about me.
     
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    Here's the odd thing. When the nurse told me to start putting citrus into my water because of bladder sediment, I immediately thought of my kidney stones and the need to keep things more alkaline, and I was thinking she steered me wrong. But as counter-intuitive as it is, citric acid actually makes urine more alkaline.

    I guess I could ping my doctor's office and ask this question just to see what they would say. I've really not researched this at all, and I am skeptical of the recommended dosage found in many supplements. I'm not certain I've encountered a supplement before where most of what I read of it is in prescription form.
     
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    Well slap my face and call me spanky, I’m getting a small education!!
    When I perform a study on a supplement, I look for the key features that would benefit my journey and sometimes I do not go far enough into the details to see what else is looming in the background that I might want to know about.

    I spent about an hour looking over some articles and eyeing a few diagrams last night and come to find out, the idea that urine needs to be more acid is a past notion.
    Yes, acid does kill bacteria but it also hampers the production and use of a protein called siderocalin. From what I’m seeing, Siderocalin is supposed to keep pathogens from bonding to iron, a keynote feature of an active pathogen.
    And….the human body being the magnificent machine that it is, tries to keep our Ph fairly neutral or no greater than a 6 allowing the protein to do whatever it is supposed to do.
    Also……the reason you’re not reading a higher acid level when you use citric acid is because the body metabolizes citric acid into a bicarbonate.

    Fascinating! I guess I’m going to have to dig out the litmus paper and study some more on the subject.

    Anyway, when it comes to potassium citrate, I’m not yet sure of the dosage but yes, it will apparently help keep urine acid levels down which helps prevent kidney stones and in turn also helps keep any pathogenic activity down as well.
     
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    Thank you for that. I had not delved into the chemistry. It is fascinating stuff...and often counterintuitive. It seems that when we follow the science, we get whiplash...although this is the kind of stuff I'm grateful to see the pursuit of Truth continuing versus achieving a political state of "Settled."

    Regarding potassium citrate, I'll continue to pursue data & dosage, but I'm not having any luck. For example, Livestrong--a pretty informative site--discusses its benefit but does not delve into supplementing it. And there is no conversion factor for milliequivalents.

    From one website: Concentrations of electrolytes are often expressed as milliequivalents per liter, which is an expression of the chemical combining power of the electrolyte in a fluid.

    From another website: To calculate a milliequivalent (mEq) you have to have two pieces of information: The mass of the substance in question and the molar mass (or molecular weight) of that substance. You must also be able to identify its valence from its molecular formula, as this determines ion number in solution.

    I'm not gonna be doing that in a spreadsheet, and I don't have a lab. Yet all of the prescription dosing I've encountered is in mEq (and potassium citrate is a prescription drug for kidney stones, as well as a soft drink additive.) I have never heard of this unit of measure before. I took potassium chloride in a powdered form years ago, but that was in the days before the internet and I would do my research in the library. I don't yet know enough about the citrate form to pop a capsule with a degree of confidence. I've been thinking of having my doctor do a 24 hour urine collection analysis anyway, so I should probably continue to research but not mess with my chemistry at that level until that's done.
     
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