My Thoughts On Supplements

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  1. Bobby Cole

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    It’s somewhat confused but milliequivalent calculations are pretty much used for intravenous use and not generally for prescription or OTC supplements so on that front I think you can rest easy.

    Still, if I had to jump through the hoops that you do, I’d want to go the extra mile also and take every test available and rattle the cages of every medical professional I could to get to an absolute answer.

    I know that when it appeared that I was dancing my last dance, I appreciated all the tests my VA doctor demanded I take even though there were other doctors who were saying some of the tests were superfluous.
    She (my va doctor) learned more and the information I gleaned from her and the tests gave me the primer that I needed in order to expand what I knew into a plethora of studies that led me to a whole new lifestyle or rather, that of a clean bodybuilder.
     
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    Agreed 100%. I've taken every test recommended by my doctors (and some I've pushed for.) I paid out-of-pocket for a Community Vascular Screening a few years ago to have my arteries scanned for blockages, since I've had high cholesterol. Any data is good.

    The only one I've refused was that second urodynamic. I really felt that the results of that test would merely be to quantify how bad things were rather than provide a path to a remedy. Had it been a skin scraping or blood work, or course I'd say "Why Not?" But it was "that."

    This urine test should have been done decades ago. I should have demanded it. Heck, my current doctor should have recommended it rather than "drink lemon water."
     
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    When I went to the primary care doctor for my last appointment in September, they did my labs and somehow “forgot” to include the test for my GFR kidney function. Now, we found a new doctor, and will be going in for the first appointment in a couple of weeks, so hopefully, they can get the necessary tests done this time.

    I know that coffee is acidic and bad for my kidneys, and with the cold weather, and cold house, it really helps to be having a hot cup of coffee during the day and even colder nighttime before bed.

    I have been drinking decaf after my morning regular coffee, but now am going to try and do even better by using a coffee substitute instead, and have ordered some with chicory and dandelion , which is supposed to be good for the liver and kidneys.

    I also ordered some of the milk thistle capsules again. I was taking them earlier this year, but didn’t order more when I ran out.
    I am really concerned about the kidney failure, and I need to start protecting my kidneys better, so I am hoping that this will help and I will have better results with the GFR test this time.


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    I drink milk thistle tea.
     
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    I've been taking Milk Thistle for probably close to 30 yr, inexpensive health care.
     
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    I always took milk thistle for liver health along with tmg.
    I think, now, they are recommending 1-2 cups of coffee for kidneys although there are different stages of kidney disease. No sugar, low carb diets.
     
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    For those who don't know, Lon passed away a while back. ...

    Following any greedy company, official or unofficial, accepted or unaccepted, is not a good idea probably.

    With or without greed, /who can determine?/ ,
    testing is available to find out what is needed, what is toxic, what is out of balance, and so forth,
    just like testing soil for a garden or a farm, for growing flowers or produce or trees.

    Some testing is available at home, almost or basically free, no cost other than time doing and learning.
    Other testing is available , at least in some places, some times, for a small or a big price, and finding it may be very difficult and always subject to change. If the rulers in society find out, they want to control it or destroy it.
     
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    My wife has some complicated food allergies. I think we do not get enough variety in our diet and therefore we take a variety of supplements in moderation. I believe a smattering of many things is more helpful than megadoses of a few things.
     
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    i've dabbled with different supplements over the years... vitamins, coq10, glucosamine chondroitin, etm. they didn't seem to provide more nutrition than whole food sources though these health foods were lackluster at best.

    recently i've been taking deep dives in nutrition research, participating in food production wherever i'm at. we have mountain and seaweed farms in asia and hawaii, food forest gardens and spring fed lakes here in wisconsin, beehives everywhere, you name it.

    much of my work involves self-experimentation such as exposing myself to enterovirus and botulism earlier in the year in order to experience the process of mitigation and acclimation (respectively.)

    the success of supplementation relies on the bodies ability to transport the vital nutrients(s) in a timely fashion before being expelled. this would be difficult provided that people have different rates of absorption affecting bioavailability. when it comes to the delivery the nutrient has to be in a form the body recognizes and accepts. i experimented with liposome assemblies building lecithin wrapped supplements using ultrasonics and other processes. this seems more conducive but not an elegant solution.

    while focusing on phytonutrients for delivery i found that developing the product can be nuanced by the fermentation process while creating a transport layer which can be targeted to upper gi or different parts of the colon.

    this is the realm of enteric (tube feeding) diets. breaking down what is necessary and what is not made me realize how much garbage our bodies can process to get what it needs. now, trying to make hydrolyzed (predigested) protein palatable is basically bathroom talk.
     
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    I think homogenizing milk breaks the fat particles up too small and that is one of the problems with cows' milk today. I worry about liposomal vitamin delivery for the same reason. If the body rejects what is coming in in the form it comes, should we be forcing the issue?
     
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    you do have a very good point there @Mary Stetler... the primary issue being that with a higher absorption rate, the quantities are minimalized. this can also incur a reliance on the substance or other imbalance.
     
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    That is sort of what an allergy is - the body fighting or defending itself against free radicals, toxins, bad foods, polluted drinks, water and air....

    Small pieces that are not good that get through the intestine wall, instead of passing out into the toilet like large particles do, and cause damage to the blood vessels or other areas of the body are for some people a continual source of losing energy or basics of life. The food supply is thoroughly polluted world wide, as is the water and air.
     
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    and how pharma keeps getting fatter and fatter with profits.

    Estrogen therapy has seen a revival as doctors claim it's beneficial, especially for menopausal women. And Pharma is making a mint on the idea that low serotonin causes depression. Find out why these myths may be some of the most damaging health advice ever given.

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/...HL2&foDate=false&mid=DM1480678&rid=1944574655


    STORY AT-A-GLANCE
    STORY AT-A-GLANCE
    • Estrogen is an obesity promoter and well-established human carcinogen
    • The Women’s Health Initiative studies, which began in 1991, showed estrogen replacement therapy in menopausal women significantly increased the risk of heart attacks, strokes, dementia, Parkinson's disease and cancer, not just in the breast but all female reproductive organs
    • The biochemical role of estrogen is to aid in wound healing. In cases of tissue trauma, estrogen reverts the differentiated cells in that specific tissue back to a stem cell-like condition, to repair the damaged tissue. In young, healthy women, progesterone will turn off estrogen’s activity. Progesterone declines with ages, but estrogen synthesis typically does not. Hence, if your estrogen is high and progesterone low, your cancer risk will rise
    • Estrogen is antimetabolic and radically reduces the ability of your mitochondria to create cellular energy in a form of ATP
    • Elevated serotonin destroys empathy, love and wisdom, and contributes to fibrosis, impaired thyroid function, reduced metabolism and reductive stress. High serotonin is also responsible for bizarre, recurring nightmares and may play a role in PTSD as well
    In this interview, Bulgarian bioenergetic researcher Georgi Dinkov discusses the downsides of estrogen and serotonin, both of which are generally considered beneficial for physical and mental health.

    The drug industry is making a mint on the idea that depression is caused by low serotonin, for example. However, a closer look reveals both estrogen and serotonin can cause severe problems and you do not want high levels of either of them.

    Estrogen Is an Obesity Promoter and Known Human Carcinogen
    The original name for estrogen was adipin, so called because it was known to make you fat, as in adipose (fat) tissue. In the mid-‘50s, when the drug industry started pushing synthetic estrogens, this knowledge faded from memory. One of the most infamous early synthetic estrogens prescribed was diethylstilbestrol (DES), which caused fetal malformations and deaths, and cancers in the mothers who took it.

    DES was eventually withdrawn and banned for use in humans. DES is not estrogen. It’s an estrogenic chemical, and it does activate estrogen receptors, but potentially more potently than estrogen does, and it has no other mechanisms of action except through its estrogenic effects.

    This gives us a strong signal that estrogen excess is of serious concern. That estrogen can cause cancer is well-established. In December 2002, the National Institutes of Health added steroidal estrogens used in estrogen replacement therapy and oral contraceptives to its list of KNOWN human carcinogens.1

    "Even mainstream doctors will admit that there is this thing called estrogen receptor-positive breast cancer," Georgi says. "The role of estrogen there is well known. Nobody's denying it, but the story has always been, it's a localized-only effect. It's a tissue-specific effect.


    If you look at the estrogen levels of menopausal women ... it’s undetectable. However, if you take a tissue biopsy from the tumor or the breast tissue around it, you'll see that estrogen levels are sky-high there.

    Begrudgingly, medicine said, ‘OK, yes, estrogen is involved as a causal agent in estrogen receptor-positive breast cancer. However, this effect is specific only to the breast. Elsewhere, estrogen is really beneficial, and that's the reason why we're seeing ovarian uterine atrophy, vulva atrophy and all these menopausal women need more estrogen.’"


    • Estrogen is an obesity promoter and well-established human carcinogen
    • The Women’s Health Initiative studies, which began in 1991, showed estrogen replacement therapy in menopausal women significantly increased the risk of heart attacks, strokes, dementia, Parkinson's disease and cancer, not just in the breast but all female reproductive organs
    • The biochemical role of estrogen is to aid in wound healing. In cases of tissue trauma, estrogen reverts the differentiated cells in that specific tissue back to a stem cell-like condition, to repair the damaged tissue. In young, healthy women, progesterone will turn off estrogen’s activity. Progesterone declines with ages, but estrogen synthesis typically does not. Hence, if your estrogen is high and progesterone low, your cancer risk will rise
    • Estrogen is antimetabolic and radically reduces the ability of your mitochondria to create cellular energy in a form of ATP
    • Elevated serotonin destroys empathy, love and wisdom, and contributes to fibrosis, impaired thyroid function, reduced metabolism and reductive stress. High serotonin is also responsible for bizarre, recurring nightmares and may play a role in PTSD as well
    In this interview, Bulgarian bioenergetic researcher Georgi Dinkov discusses the downsides of estrogen and serotonin, both of which are generally considered beneficial for physical and mental health.

    The drug industry is making a mint on the idea that depression is caused by low serotonin, for example. However, a closer look reveals both estrogen and serotonin can cause severe problems and you do not want high levels of either of them.

    Estrogen Is an Obesity Promoter and Known Human Carcinogen
    The original name for estrogen was adipin, so called because it was known to make you fat, as in adipose (fat) tissue. In the mid-‘50s, when the drug industry started pushing synthetic estrogens, this knowledge faded from memory. One of the most infamous early synthetic estrogens prescribed was diethylstilbestrol (DES), which caused fetal malformations and deaths, and cancers in the mothers who took it.

    DES was eventually withdrawn and banned for use in humans. DES is not estrogen. It’s an estrogenic chemical, and it does activate estrogen receptors, but potentially more potently than estrogen does, and it has no other mechanisms of action except through its estrogenic effects.

    This gives us a strong signal that estrogen excess is of serious concern. That estrogen can cause cancer is well-established. In December 2002, the National Institutes of Health added steroidal estrogens used in estrogen replacement therapy and oral contraceptives to its list of KNOWN human carcinogens.1
     
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    If a person has a Stromg Desire to Stay Off Pharma addicting toxic drugs, you can research and find so many alternatives to address your issues that you are taking drugs for.

    The U.S. is the major country that take the MOST pharma drugs in the world.

    Western Medicine dynesty has done an excellent JOB in keeping MOST in fear if you don't take their drugs....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek::eek:...


    And it's truly stunning how now and then the hard core libs throw out some threats in taking away our freedoms of supplement useage.
     
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    When I think of the speed the pharma world tossed out the shots for the covid crap, I can scream and scream....Vit C, Vit D, Zinc etc is what WE ALL NEED.....Drumb stupid SHEEP following gubmint.
     
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