Police Arrest Suspect In University Of Idaho Murders

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  1. Yvonne Smith

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    I think that you might be be right about the insanity defense, @Ken Anderson . There is a news article with an interview with a woman who was in the same jail (fight with her boyfriend) and she reported that he was threatening to stab the guards, and singing rap songs about killing people with a knife. She said that he was apparently also exposing himself and the guards were telling him to put his pants back on.
    So, he really is wacko, or he is starting the pretense of being insane in preparations of that defense at his trial. It certainly did not sound like what his attorney said about he wants to go back to Idaho and clear this up, because his actions are not those of someone who was wrongly accused and wanted to appear innocent.
    Also, the family of one of the murdered girls apparently knows something about the suspect, but said they are not ready to talk about it yet.
     
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    Seemingly, he was overweight and bullied as a child. Then he bulked up and became a bully, but was, throughout, socially clumsy. That doesn't add up to someone who suddenly decides to murder four or five people, I forget the number. Because of that, I'm thinking that, whoever it turns out did it, this probably wasn't their first murder. If he did it, and I don't doubt that he did, the police have a whole lot of evidence that they haven't given up, which would be appropriate.
     
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    I just watched the body cam footage from the traffic stop that occurred while Brian and his father were driving from WSU to their home in Pennsylvania. Although it was hard to hear the conversation because of traffic noise, Brian brings up (to the cop) something about a mass shooting at another school somewhere, which was not the killings he was involved in, and not one that I've heard of, which seems weird during a traffic stop. Other than that Brian was not wanting to give any more information than what was asked for but his dad answered most of the questions, although his son was the one driving.
     
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    I read an interesting thing this morning, and according to the article, they think that the suspect belonged to a large facebook group who were trying to help solve the killings. I have definitely read about the suspect returning to the crime scene, and think that this could have been the case here. Since Kohburger was studying criminology, it seems like joining the group would be something he would be likely to do.
    Here is the information I read :

    Six weeks ago, four University of Idaho students were found stabbed to death in a home near campus. This investigation has been a main topic of conversation across social media platforms, news outlets, and even across dinner tables. It became so large Facebook groups were created with the intent to discuss the case and solve the mystery of the killer's identity. After six weeks, Bryan Christopher Kohberger was arrested and is being charged with four counts of first-degree murder, according to CBS News. When news of the arrest hit media outlets, many people expressed significant concerns with the fact that Kohberger was the suspect.

    One of the largest Facebook groups dedicated to solving the case, with around 180k members, had one member who called himself “Pappa Rodger.” After hearing about the arrest, many began to integrate what they knew about Pappa Rodger with what they’d learned about Kohberger and believed the two were one in the same man. Pappa Rodger was one of the most active members in the Facebook group, constantly sparking conversation about the killer, raising speculations about the motive, the entry point to the crime scene, the murder weapon, and why there were no suspects earlier on in the case. But, to some the most bone chilling fact connecting the two is that Kohberger, a criminology student, published a survey roughly seven months earlier with questions which were nearly identical to those posed by Pappa Rodger. Some members in the Facebook group accused Pappa Rodger of being a psycho and even replied to his questions saying that they were ones only the killer would ask. After the connection between Kohberger’s survey and Pappa Rodger’s questions was made, people began to comment on the uncanny physical resemblance between Kohberger and Pappa Rodger’s profile pic. Shortly after that discovery, the “Pappa Rodger” Facebook account was disabled.
     
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    Hmm... This is interesting, and not what we were led to believe. Which is okay. In a murder investigation, there's no reason to give everything away to the media. It leaves more questions but, that's okay. That's what trials are for.

    The police would hate me if I were an eyewitness to a crime. I rarely look at people closely enough to be able to describe them and I was never into the guy thing of being able to identify every car that I saw. I'd probably say something like, "I don't know. It was white, and it wasn't a pickup truck or a van."
     
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    That is why I like security cameras. You are not relying on recollection. If you have pictures, a lot of information can be gleaned. I still don't quite understand how they made the definitive determination that this guy was the evil one. From the clip, it relied on a little bit of DNA on a knife sheath and the car. He was in criminology classes. It seems that someone who knew him but hated him could have easily framed him for this crime. Someone working on criminology doctorate should not leave ANY evidence behind, as they are totally familiar with what can be done with even the smallest bit of evidence. I just don't get how someone so conversant with crime scene analysis could be so stupid. By the way, I have a Kabar knife and sheath that I inherited form my father, and neither of us are/were Rambo types. Dad used it as his hunting knife.
     
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    My wife is thinking that he was set up for it, or at least that's the impression she gets from what she's seen or heard. I think they probably have a lot of stuff that they've been holding for the trial or whenever it's needed.

    I have a bunch of knives that I've bought over the years because I could afford them, although some of them weren't particularly cheap. Some, I've used out in the woods a few times, while others haven't been out of the sheath since I opened the packages, but I thought I might have a use for them at some point. One of them, I've only used to open packages. Another is way bigger than I had pictured it when I ordered it, and I have two of them because the first package got lost on the way here so they sent another one. These, I'd feel silly carrying around, even out in the woods, because they are way bigger than I can imagine ever needing. Imagine a machete shaped like a Bowie knife and that's pretty much what they look like. However, I haven't cut up anyone with any of them.
     
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    I see nothing to make me think it was anyone other than this guy. Watching him in court, especially his eyes, he certainly gave off some vines that weren't that of an innocent or sane person.

    I think he was sloppy just so he would be caught. I think he has a plan of how he will be found not guilty and a public court trial and the acquittal he thinks he will get is his doctoral thesis in his sick mind. I think in his mind he has this all scripted like it was a reality TV show. Only time will tell.
     
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    Interesting way of looking at it, @Faye Fox. Perhaps he was sloppy deliberately, and he thinks he can get notoriety and get off by maneuvering the legal system.
     
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    I kept reading that part of the "evidence" against him was various traffic cameras showing his car in locations around Moscow Idaho. Today I see that it's only 8 miles from his home in Washington to Moscow, so somehow that doesn't seem like a huge revelation. I go plenty of places within 8 miles of my home.
     
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    The two universities are both really close to the state lines, but it is actually two separate towns, Moscow, Idaho, and Pullman , Washington. It would be natural for him to travel from one town to the other, but not much reason for him to be clear out in the housing areas (as opposed to businesses or shopping areas) ; so I am inclined to believe that if he was in the area of the murder house, he was stalking someone , or there for planning reasons.
    I have been in both towns, although not for a long time now, but they are totally separate with just a short stretch of highway in between.

    Here is a map, and you can see the murder house was in a residential part of town. I didn’t see an address for where in Pullman Kohberger;s apartment was at, or I would have marked that, too.

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    Interesting, but not "evidence" of any foul play. We live about 10 miles from the small town where my MIL lives and my husband is over there several times a week, in residential areas and at the retail stores as well. Of course, he's not driving around at 3 a.m. but probably was when he was a college student.
     
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    Yeah, the entire thing makes me wonder how finding the car in the area is sufficient to arrest the guy. There must be something else going on, for I believe a good defense attorney will tear the whole case apart from what I have seen so far. Maybe there is more. I haven't even seen evidence that they can prove that it was the suspect in the car and not someone else.
     
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    I decided to join one of the facebook groups about this murder case, and have learned some interesting things. Many people seem to think that he went there to only kill one person, either Kayley or Maddie, and when he was discovered in the house, he had to kill the other two victims who saw him.
    Security cameras in the neighborhood show his car apparently stalking the house where the girls lived for several weeks ahead of the murders.

    The reason people think he was after Kayley was that she was possibly on a social media site called “Only Fans”, where people can earn money by things they post, and they think that Bryan might have been on the site, too. She was doing something and making a lot of extra money, according to what i am reading online.
    Maddie, however, worked at a vegan cafe, and since Bryan is a vegan, it is possible that he knew her from the cafe somehow.

    Kayleys dog was in her room, but she was found dead in Maddie’s room. Two theories are that they were together in the room when killed, but people wonder if Kayley would have taken her little dog with her when she decided to stay in Maddie’s room, which seems reasonable to me.
    If the killer went to Maddie’s room and Kayley’s dog started barking, then Kayley would have gone to Maddie’s room to see if she was okay, and been killed there.

    If the killer was after Kayley, then he went to her room first, and alarmed the dog, and then found her in Maddie’s room and killed both of them.

    The Doordash delivery came around the same time, and Xana might have encountered the killer when she was in the kitchen with her food, because there was blood in the kitchen. If she ran back to her room, then Bryan had to kill both Xana and Ethan, who apparently had fought back before being murdered.
     
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    It is a very complex case that really doesn't add up. I think a lot of evidence is being held so the media doesn't try and decide this case.
     
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