The Education System Is Making Kids Stupid

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  1. Bobby Cole

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    To your prophetic end, since voice commands and dictation are readily available via computer, one doesn’t even need thumbs to write.
     
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    Maybe we could just buy a high-end AI version of ourselves that we can send to college in lieu of attending ourselves.
     
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    Similar to what @Ed Marsh was writing about, ChatGPT has an alternate “teaching” program thus making teachers and professors obsolete ergo the college buildings can become homeless shelters whilst students stay at home and let their personal ChatGPT program learn from the teaching program.
    All one needs to know is what questions to ask.

    Possibility or probability?
     
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    Why do we need students to learn stuff? Just look up how to do a hip replacement on the computer.
     
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    Robotics in the operating room are becoming more wide spread so a hip replacement accomplished by a computer isn’t totally out of reach.

    One thing that is concerning is that one doesn’t just become a master at logic and problem solving when one is born. It takes practice and like anything else, with practice the bar has to be raised at intervals in order for a person to achieve greater goals or rather, greater mental connections.
    But first, before anything else, there has to be a foundation in order for there to be a connection and it seems like those basic foundations like reading, writing, biology and maths are being omitted or “warped” and in their stead, our students are learning some bastardized version of social (non)-sciences.
     
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    As far as I know, most if not all of the robotic surgery is still guided by humans. It may be just to support the surgeons' lifestyles, though. I think most radiologists could be replaced by computers, as it has been shown over and over again that computers can read scan results better than humans.
     
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    In my job, we dealt a lot with various types of micro-manipulators, mechanical, electronic, hydraulic, etc. They could be viewed as micro robots for cell operations, injecting nuclei, etc. In this case, and I’m sure it’s true with surgical robots as well, the robot acts to remove some of the imprecision in movements generated by human muscle power alone. The micro-manipulators could reduce crude human movements of several millimeters down to several microns, a huge advance when doing small, delicate maneuvers.

    edit: here is an example of a autonomous robot being used to perform surgery because of its greater precision and consistency. This robot requires a modicum of human intervention.

     
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    Maybe the pendulum is swinging back?
     
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    I'm sure its in the making, who would have thought this song would come true? I put the one with lyrics it pretty much says what I would think is going on,

     
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    I bypassed this thread many times because I thought I had nothing to add but because it stuck in my craw here it goes.

    After watching my grandbabies through their years through school so far I have been stumped by their ability to comprehend what they learned in school and then question about it. Sometimes they would say 'That's stupid.' and go on to elaborate how they feel it should be done. My granddaughters especially but they do what they are taught.

    My thought is 'What makes them even question?'
     
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    From what I've seen, the problem isn't that children are dumber today, but that the school systems are failing them, intentionally or otherwise, and I fear it's the former. Certainly, I've come across even very young kids who are extremely bright, inquisitive, and sharp, but I think that's inherent in the child, perhaps with encouragement from the parents, and not a credit to the public school system.
     
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    Good afternoon to all-

    The public schools of our country have done more good for more kids than any other institution. A kid with special needs or special talents is more likely to have her/his needs met in public school than anywhere else.
    Does the public school meet every kid's needs? Of course not. Not every kid can function in the public schools. But that's not as much a reflection on the school as on the kid.

    The public schools present a big, easy target for politicians and others to use as a talking point to further their own personal goals. Public schools are nothing more than a mirror which reflects the community they serve- no teacher and no public school sets out to not serve their kids. But some kids have more needs than any school can adequately serve.

    Those who denigrate the public schools might ought to think about volunteering in the local school to see how things are really done and not how some loud-talking politician claims Warning- this will take patience, courage, and control.

    Good afternoon to all- Ed
     
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    United States taxpayers pay more for the US public school system than most countries, yet the level of education actually received seems to decline further the more money we flush down the government educational system, which is more interested in indoctrination than education. Public schools constitute child abuse. Instead of taxing people for a government system that isn't even designed to work, parents should be able to spend their money on schools that put their children first.
     
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    Since the taxpayer does dole out so much and since the Government has seen fit to micromanage public education, I’m wondering why the curriculum for each grade isn’t exactly the same across the board?
    Granted, each state and areas within each state are different from the other but math is still math, English is still English, history is still history, Civics is still Civics etc.
    Lesson plans should all be the same from one state to another with the only difference being how a teacher teaches the subject matter.

    No more condoms on cucumbers, gender identification or teachers with a political or social agenda in the classroom. Teachers should have a strict dress code that screams of success and a good wage to back it up and actually be able to teach.
     
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