Two of my grandchildren are black, their mother had a wife. I love and loved them very much, and was proud even of the accomplishments I didn't agree with. Most people are capable of participating in discussions of potentially sensitive topics, while others don't give a damn about other participants in the discussion, and would rather throw epithets than carry on a civil conversation. This forum is about conversation, and I'm not interested in turning it into a battleground. Most of the racists I know are liberal.
I don't think it's me that isn't thinking clearly. You said that you don't belong to any racist groups, like BLM, KKK, etc. I said that I never said anyone here belongs to a racist group. What does that have to do with my race?
"Most people are capable of participating in discussions of potentially sensitive topics, while others don't give a damn about other participants in the discussion, and would rather throw epithets than carry on a civil conversation." I agree. Maybe you should have a private conversation with the person responsible for turning an initially civil conversation into an antagonistic debate. Hint: That was not me. Take another read of the thread from the beginning. It was a respectful discussion until this person started commenting.
Although I'm not proud of the fact that my first grandchild is a lesbian, I am proud of her and her accomplishments and caring heart and love her dearly. Yet I am against any agenda pushing on children. She isn't radical and doesn't push her lifestyle or ways on others. She calls and sends us gifts all the time and we return the calls,but not as many gifts since we have so many grandkids.
What is there about someone's sexual inclinations to be proud of? If, as I am pretty sure you believe, someone's sexual identity exists from birth, what is there to be proud of? Are you proud of someone's hair color? Perhaps you are, I don't know, but I reserve my feelings of pride for what someone has accomplished, whatever that might be. Even if it's something that I didn't agree with, I would be proud of someone who took a stand, made a plan, and was able to achieve whatever the goal might be. There's nothing to be proud of in what someone is, as that is simply a fact, so I would take pride in what they do with what they have, and in what they become. Some people claim that they are proud of their race or their skin color, and that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either. While skin color is not something that someone should be ashamed of, they should take pride, not in what they were born with, but in what they have accomplished with what they were given to start with.
Now, Ken. You are intelligent enough to know that when someone says they're not proud of their loved one being gay, they really mean that they don't approve and/or they are disappointed...some are even disgusted. Especially true when that person makes it clear that they don't want the "gay agenda" pushed on children. I know exactly what Marie means by "not proud." Nice try.
Being disappointed or even disgusted are expressions of emotion, which would exist whether someone says it or not. My understanding is that it's not easy to be gay so I could certainly appreciate that a parent might be disappointed in that. With few exceptions, most parents want the best for their children and, while they will likely make the best of whatever facts might present themselves, I would think that a parent would prefer their children not to have hurdles to success, whatever these hurdles might be. I would guess that a tiny minority of parents would be disgusted by their child, in that event.
I fully agree with you. And some parents just think being gay is "wrong" Or a "sin" because the Bible says homosexuality is an abomination. I think we should allow Marie to comment on why she isn't proud that her granddaughter is gay, if she chooses to share her feelings. If she'd rather not elaborate, I respect that.
I asked you first. If you don't want to answer my question, that's okay. I was just wondering why you're not proud that she's gay.
Why? So you can throw another epithet out there? A better question would be why would someone be proud of another person's sexual identity? Is being gay an accomplishment in its own right?
Now that was uncalled for, especially after I respectfully responded to your previous comment. I have no intention of throwing another "epithet." If Marie wants to discuss further, I will be glad to chat with her. She might learn something. Maybe you would, too. Geez, you people are so defensive.