Can it happen? Has it happened? According to this article: http://www.wisegeek.com/can-there-be-a-mixed-presidential-ticket.htm it has happened and is possible. Abraham Lincoln (a Republican) chose for his second term Andrew Johnson (a Democrat) for his Vice President. Abraham Lincoln liked to say he liked to keep his enemies close by his side. With everything else Donald Trump has done, it wouldn't surprise me if as President he also might decide to choose a Vice President that is of the other Party. He likes to stir things up and that would be the ultimate "stir up" to me. On the other hand I believe it just might be an idea that has a lot of possibilities for good...and just as much for bad. Food for thought anyway, and maybe with both parties being represented some teamwork could come together for the good of all of us.
Originally, the president and vice president did not run as a ticket. Delegates to the electoral college were given two votes, requiring that one of their votes be for a candidate outside the elector’s state, and that the winner of the election obtain an absolute majority of the total number of electors. The runner up was named vice president. So in the early days of our country, the vice president was the president’s chief rival during the election. The office of vice president has always been a minor position, although some have managed to make more of it. Adams, the country’s first vice president, described the job as frustrating and stupefying. Thomas Marshall, the 28th vice president, said of the job that, “Once there were two brothers. One ran away to sea; the other was elected vice president of the United States. And nothing was heard of either of them again.” While vice president, Calvin Coolidge was so obscure that Major League Baseball sent him free passes in which his name was misspelled, and the fire marshall didn’t recognize him when his residence was evacuated. Daniel Webster twice turned down the offer of running for vice president, saying that he did not want to be buried until he was really dead and in his coffin. Woodrow Wilson was the first president to invite his vice president to cabinet meetings, as did Warren G. Harding, but later presidents did not do so until Franklin D. Roosevelt. Since that time, they have generally been invited but not all have chosen to attend.
Trump and Sanders Ticket, could it happen? And could it work if it did happen ? Both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders have a tremendous following of people who are committed deeply to their respective candidates, and who also pretty much feel that their candidate is about the only hope for this nation. I know that this sounds way off the wall; but let's look at it a little bit before throwing the idea out the window. We are experiencing a political shakeup of epic proportions right now, and it is happening in both the Republican and the Democratic camp (although to maybe a lesser extent there). Trump has won most of the primaries for his party, and most of the ones that he didn't win had some kind of undercurrent going on that affected the voting, such as Cruz telling people that Carson was leaving the race and people should vote for Cruz. Even though Trump has most of the delagates at this point, it is looking more and more possible that he might be blocked from getting the amount he needs to become the Republican candidate, and to make it even worse, many of the leaders of the Republican party wouldn't support him even if he makes the candidacy. Bernie Sanders is also getting delagates, but Hillary is going to get the super-delagates, which no one had a chance to vote for. So, it is looking like both of these popular candidates could be pushed aside and the more "politically-correct" one put in instead. It is also looking like Ted Cruz might just be being used, and someone else (Kasich? ) put in as the Republican candidate, if no one gets the needed amount of delagates. Some people have been talking about the idea that the only way either one of them can win is if Trump and Cruz team up together. I am not sure that would happen, or even sure how well it would go over, if it did. So, that brings me to an interesting article that I was just reading on one of the alternative news websites. It is one that you read with the proverbial "grain of salt" ; but the idea does have merit. The gist of the article is that some of both Trump and Sander's people went to Canada to meet with Jean LaPierre, a man who is/was a well-known politician up there and who actually founded a kind of independant party. He was going to meet with our people to talk about Trump and Sanders working together; but either due to accident, or sabotage, his plane crashed and he was killed. If both candidates lose their run for the presidency with their respective parties, I do think that if they teamed up, each one has enough grass-roots supporters that we could possibly see (for the first time ever) a third-party.independant candidate win the election, even if it came to write-in votes. http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2020.htm
Republican President And Democratic Vice President Discussion in 'Politics & Government' started by Babs Hunt, Mar 5, 2016. @Yvonne Smith Yes I believe it is possible and basically said as much in the above tread I posted although I didn't name names. It's actually one thing I think might help the two Parties come together as the North and South finally did (in a way). After a whole lot of tearing down and reconstruction in both parties...I think it could help everyone work as a team instead of more division between the two sides. And "We the People" could be represented much better if the two Parties could come together and work as a team too. So I see it something that actually might be good all around.
That would be a strange ticket. Although Trump and Sanders appeal to the same kind of voters within their respective parties, they are at different ends of the spectrum. If Trump were the Republican candidate, while Sanders were the Democrat candidate, we'd have a true choice between capitalism and socialism, but I wouldn't expect to see that on the same ticket. The only that I could see that happening is if, as you suggest, they were both cheated out of their nominations by the political parties. In that case, although I still think it unlikely, they could team up for an independent party bid, the problem being that I think too many states wouldn't allow someone who ran for a party nomination to then appear on the ticket as an independent, so their chances of being successful would be greatly decreased.
I believe we are at that time in History once again...where anything is possible and the improbable could very well happen in one way or another.
I guess I really made a BOO-BOO , @Ken Anderson , and didn't see the older thread that Babs had started that concerned virtually the same premise, although I took her thread to be a general question and not person specific. In any case, can you please meld the two threads for us, and @Babs Hunt , I do apologize for not searching harder before I posted this. Now....back to the topic. I agree that I don't think this would happen unless neither Trump nor Sanders is selected as the nominee for their party. The Republican party is trying hard to find a way to keep Trump from being the Republican nominee, and the only way possible might be for a Trump/Cruz team, and I just do NOT see that one happening at all. However, if the Republicans throw in Kasich (or whoever, they don't like Cruz either), and the Democrats back Hillary; then it is possible that both Trump and Sanders could form an alliance and run as independants, with no affiliation to either party. If there IS any truth to the story about them counseling with Lapierre, then this has been something that they have dicussed for at least a while now. Bernie is not likely to get the Democrat nomination with Hillary getting all of the super delegates, yet somehow, he keeps his campaign financed. Maybe Trump is helping him, to keep him in the race, and build his supporters. Sanders has always ran as an independant, and not a Democrat up until now, so this might not be a big change for him to go back to that. I almost think that I would rather see Trump run with Sanders than with Cruz, that man has done a lot of really dirty and uncalled for things so far in the campaign. As far as I can see, Sanders plays fair, and I do think that he cares about the people, just like Trump does.
@Yvonne Smith I'm so happy we both had the same thoughts here and you bringing it up again just gives another chance to discuss this possibility. I've heard it said that "great minds think alike" .... I'm very glad we had the same thoughts on this tread topic.
"Now for this year’s wild card that eludes current political discussion: we may get a Republican president and a Democratic vice-president because the Twelfth Amendment also mandates that the vice-president be chosen by the Senate if no candidate received a majority of that contest’s electoral votes. While Republicans maintain dominance among House delegations, it’s generally acknowledged that Democrats have a good chance of retaking the Senate since many incumbent Republicans are vulnerable this year. That’s a GOP nightmare. If the election goes to Congress, the new Senate of 2017 will have that vice-presidential vote, and it will be decided by a majority of the senators, not its state delegations. If a Democratic Senate chooses the vice-president, he or she will be a Democrat who will serve alongside a Republican president. It would be a historic first!" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-zucker/a-republican-president-an_1_b_9405348.html Not as far fetched as some may think Yvonne...as the quote from the above article also articulates. Athough I believe it is not a historic first...but second. Since in 1864 Republican President Abraham Lincoln chose Democrat Andrew Johnson for his Vice President. Although as @Ken Anderson said it is almost impossible for this to happen...I really believe that this might be a very good thing for America, especially if we had two good men in those positions who truly loved America and wanted what was best for America and "We the People." As it stands now we have a Government full of Politicians that aren't doing what is best for America or us. By the way @Ken Anderson...you blended our treads beautifully. Is there any way you can blend both our names on the tread topic too?
Here's the problem folks, as I see it of course. All of the above is possible in that I am a believer that all things are indeed possible. The problem I mentioned? According the the Constitution of the United States of America there is no provision made by which the American people have the right to vote for the President or Vice President. Granted, the XII amendment does call for representation by an electorate but in today's crooked world we know that the American people will never be represented by any electorate made up of modern politicians. Think of the popular vote for the presidency as a courtesy and not a constitutional right. It swallows easier. Since the XII amendment still stands as the law of the land the electorate can and will choose who they want to run as the President and his courtesy choice as VP as they will do via the GOP national convention as a brokered pick. Now the question at hand: Could Trump and Bernie run on an independent ticket? Sure. But will it pass by the electorate in order to be made a public possibility? Not very likely. @Ken Anderson was quite right regarding a bunch of states that would not allow the independent ticket which would serve as a singular bulwark against such a move on the part of the two candidates. Ergo: Hillary will be president whether we like it or not, and then the revolution begins. Viva El Trump!! All the above is the opinion of Bobby Cole and not necessarily backed up by this station. WZZZ signing off.
Nothing....absolutely Nothing is Impossible with the One who is really in control here. I don't pretend to know how this Election is goin Well nothing ventured...nothing gained. Thanks
With the One who is really in charge of things Nothing is Impossible...but if it comes down to the Republicans having to make a decision as to which is the lesser of two evils, Trump or Clinton in the White House...I sure hope their Pride doesn't come before their Fall. And America's too.
What would be very interesting if they block Trump from running he would run as an independent with Sanders as Vice.