Tucker Carlson At Turning Point Action Conference Speech

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  1. Denise Evans

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    I'm starting to have a different view of Tucker after watching his speech. You'd think the crowd was Maga, maybe they were, but I didn't ever listen to Tucker until he left Fox, so I don't know if he is different now, than he was at Fox. I just enjoyed and was cheering for what he had to say. I know I have to put bullett points for folks who choose not to listen to whole speeches so I'll do my best:

    Basically, I'll sum it up as Common Sense on Ukraine, Russia, and families with, what I call proper leadership. It's also about politicians and Tuckers view on what sort of people are politicians. Maybe it's all something you've heard already, it's not hard to be ahead of my understanding of what's going on in our country, let alone the rest of the world. I loved the analogy he gives (but I'm not going to give it a way like some trailer does for hot new movies) on family leadership compared to two countries fighting like Ukraine and Russia.

    If it needs to be moved @Ken Anderson or @Yvonne Smith please move it, since I was a bit confused about where to post it. Comments welcome, I know, or was reminded by this video, we still have the freedom for each person to have their own views on things, that's freedom as Tucker mentions more than once ;)

     
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    Long video but very informative. I found very little that I disagreed with in the speech. Critical points brought out are 1) If they try to get you banned, punished or jailed, you are probably telling the truth, as lies are simply laughed at and dismissed. 2) Freedom of speech has vanished and you cannot have democracy without free speech.

    We are supporting a regime in Ukraine that dismisses elections and jails political opponents, similar to what is being tried here, in the name of defending democracy. How crazy can it get? The absurd claims are defended to distract the less intelligent from what is really going on.
     
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  3. Ken Anderson

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    Tucker Carlson was pretty much pro-Trump, or at least in favor of the Constitution, prior to the last election, when he suddenly turned on Trump just before the election. Quite likely, he was pressured by Fox to do so and was trying to hang onto his Fox gig, but this doesn't excuse it as far as I am concerned.

    Because of this, while I might enjoy his show and agree with much of what he says, I'll never trust his word again. That's how Fox has become successful. They spend a lot of time on issues that appeal to constitutionalists, certainly more so than any of the other mainstream media, so they gather an audience of constitutionalists, conservatives, and even libertarians. Yet, they are not a threat to the globalist agenda because, at critical moments, like just before an election, they change direction, and are able to lead just enough of their conservative audience in the wrong direction or reduce enthusiasm for an important goal, not enough to lose their audience (particularly since there are no other noteworthy alternatives) but just enough to ensure a win for the globalist agenda that they are in favor of. If you're opposed to an organization or a cause, you're going to be far more effective in working against it from the inside rather than from the outside, and if you can because a leader in that cause, you can carry the day.
     
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  4. Don Alaska

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    Fox lost a lot of conservative viewers by the way they called Arizona, and they lost many more when they fired Tucker.
     
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    Bob Kennedy Jr is certainly a Constitutionalist. I hope he beats out Biden. But just as with that guy with the screechy yell that blew him out of the running, Kennedy's voice might too. It is too bad that we can't handle handicaps.
     
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    A speech handicap is almost a killer in politics, but as was shown in the Pennsylvania Senate race, even someone who can't really speak or stand can be elected if they are the protected party.
     
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    That doesn't leave too many people we could trust then :rolleyes:
     
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    Everyone commenting on tv is reading a script off of a tele monitor.
    I was crushed after I found that out.
     
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    What matters is whose words they are reading. If I was going to speak to a class, a conference, or a meeting, I would probably rely on notes, at least to some extent, but these notes were prepared by myself, so they represented my thoughts or the things I wanted to say. At larger conferences, a teleprompter might have come in handy, although they weren't available to me at the time. However, on the couple of occasions that I had to get up and speak during a statewide EMS conference, in front of a crapload of people, I would have gladly used a teleprompter. A teleprompter would allow me to appear to be looking at the audience when, in fact, I was reading from a prepared speech.

    On television news shows, the news anchor has no part in preparing the script that he reads on the air, and, in many cases, it has been clear that they were reading it for the first time, as they stumble over a word or phrase. News anchors are talking heads, representing, not themselves, but whoever prepares the stuff they read on the air.

    Political talk shows, such as Tucker Carlson's, are generally different. While most of them employ researchers to come up with the information and writers to prepare the things they are going to say, the host probably has varying degrees of control over the content. At the beginning of Tucker Carlson's Fox gig, I think he had a good degree of control over the content. As he became more popular, he probably gained more control over the content. However, when he began threatening the larger agenda (which Fox, the Democrats, and neoconservative Republicans were on board with), Fox began asserting more control over his content. This is probably why we never saw the promised additional video from the January 6 events in Washington, D.C., and, before that, this might be why he turned on Trump before the 2020 election.

    We tend to view political media figures, like Tucker Carlson, as being on one side or another. As human beings, they may well favor one side or the other, and I think it's reasonable to assume that people don't assume a role as a conservative talk show host unless they hold some conservative views, and they probably begin their career believing that they are going to be allowed to say the things that are important to them. However, once their show starts bringing in a huge salary, the salary can become more important than the issue, or they might run into contractual issues that they hadn't clearly thought out when they were signing on to a gig with a news station.

    When faced with a conflict between their own beliefs and convictions and that of their employer, some people will quit or allow themselves to be fired, particularly when the alternative is to aid the election of someone like Joe Biden. Tucker Carlson didn't do that. Instead, he yielded, and attacked Trump, presumably doing Fox's bidding. As for the January 6 video, he may not have had the power to live up to the promises he made to show the additional videos, but neither did he report that. I don't know for sure what went on between him and Fox, but it seems that, at some point, they had reached a line that Tucker wouldn't cross. I don't know what that line was, but aiding in the election of Joe Biden was a line that I can't forgive.

    So, when I say that I don't trust Tucker Carlson, I'm not talking about what political side he is on. Probably, he is what he portrays himself to be, but he has shown that his career means more to him than his word, so I can no longer trust his words. Since his words are all that I know him by, I don't trust him.
     
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  10. Denise Evans

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    That was a good read, learned a lot @Ken Anderson. At this stage of my life, I find it extremely hard to trust "anyone", least of all people I don't know. I just can't put any of my faith in humans. Maybe I am just anti-people when it comes down to it, but it really hurts my heart not to have anyone I feel I can trust. So, most of my acquaintances are online, I don't get close to anyone. I guess as far as voting, I do my best to vote for the person I truly feel is best for America, doesn't mean I trust them though. That's why I try hard to believe in an all, loving God but even then, I've lost a lot of faith in a Higher Power that's going to make it all better one day, not that many of us deserve it.
     
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