Electric Cars

Discussion in 'Automotive' started by Don Alaska, Jan 9, 2022.

  1. Ken Anderson

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    They don't care that the technology they are pushing now is, and will always be, too expensive for most people, since the goal is that only the elite will be able to travel.
     
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    Pretty much. If you don't go along with the narrative, then any failures are your fault, objective evidence be damned.

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    It might be moot since China has now sanctioned the U.S for rare earth metals and graphene/graphite. I know little about it, but I am told both are required for EV manufacture. Of course, we could all buy EVs form China.
     
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    Gee, suddenly I like the Chinese.

    sarcasm>>And this should please the UAW folks, with Biden forcing EVs down our throats and refusing to permit mining in the states. Talk about job [in]security.
     
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    I was just reading that it appears that the auto workers and Ford have reached a tentative bargaining agreement. Also that electric vehicles aren't selling as many as expected so a partnership between GM and Toyota to build electrics has been squashed. And the beat goes on.
     
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    I didn't know that GM and Toyota were planning on working together. Toyota owns a chunk of Mazda (via stock), and the 2 of them built a shared factory in Birmingham. I believe it's the first U.S. footprint for Mazda. I know Mazda is planning on using Toyota's hybrid drive train.

    It looks like Toyota's pretty popular.
     
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    Well, that's because they aren't. :D:D:D It's GM and Honda. (Duh) I got my Japanese Motor Companies mixed up.
     
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    EV malfunctions, locks driver inside, rolls backwards down a boat ramp… and ignites

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    On Sunday Oct 1st, a Tesla Model S [sic] was attempting to back a jet ski into the water at the Polk Street boat ramp, when it lost traction and slid into the inter-coastal. The wife backs the trailer and jet ski into the water, the husband gets the jet ski into the water. While the husband is on the water on the jet ski, the Tesla begins flashing a warning to the wife to get out of the Model X. The car's electronically powered doors are closed, and whatever malfunction is occurring won't permit the doors to open. Apparently, the wife didn't know about the manual release for the doors, so the husband rocks up and gets her out before the Model X ends up submerged.

    After the SUV slides into the water, its battery catches fire, with toxic gases and flames erupting from the water's surface. The salt water reacted with the the vehicle’s electronics causing them to short, sparking a fire that burned underwater for an extended period of time.

    The fire was allowed to burn underwater until it extinguished itself. And even then, it had to be loaded carefully onto a special carrier, and followed by the Fire Engine to the impound lot, where they’ll keep the vehicle isolated for a few days in the very real possibility of re-ignition. EVs have been known to reignite even after the initial fire has been extinguished.

     
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    And they thought putting a boat in the water whilst having a beer in one hand was unsafe.

    There are a whole lot of things that could go wrong with an EV and they’re definitely NOT environmentally safe but we do have to face the fact that they’re going to be the prominent mode of transportation in our future.

    As ideas go, perhaps in some distant future, somebody is going to invent the nuclear car so they can blow themselves and the earth clean out of the solar system.
     
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    Doesn't Ford make an EV called The Fission?
     
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    I believe that’s Fusion but let’s not forget Ford’s Nucleon that was developed way back in the late 50’s. It’s due for a comeback.
     
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    I still say that my idea for the electric vehicle with onboard generation by a natural gas or diesel generator rather than a battery, is the vehicle of the future. Think about how many years the diesel electric has ruled the rails with little evolution. Batteries dictate that electric vehicles are DC which poses many problems. With the time proven diesel electric now using AC, weight, need to charge, electrical losses, and such are a thing of the past.

    The high-power variable-voltage/variable frequency drives, allows the use of polyphase AC wheel motors, thereby also eliminating the motor commutator and brushes leading to more efficiency and less maintenance. It also eliminates the need for rectifying AC to DC. We had this technology by 1990 and it has been improved since then.

    The battery driven vehicle is a failure for dependable transportation and actually has increased fossil fuel consumption worldwide. Electric cars are great on the golf courses accept for their contribution to poor fitness and obesity among lazy golfers.

    Charging a battery using the grid, then using that stored power to run an electric motor is the epitome of inefficiency. All the fuel used to mine lithium with huge machines, would run hundreds of diesel/electric vehicles for months. @elon musk

    I challenge @elonmusk to join SOC and discuss this matter.
     
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    I heard someone--a PhD no less--who said the Left's idea of saving the planet is to force everyone to use a vehicle that makes such an incredible impact on the environment that most nations don't want the components manufactured on their territory and produces a vehicle that is a fire risk and dies in to years and all those toxic materials are thrown away to contaminate landfills and disposal sites. What a joke! I have a SIL who buys this hook, line, and sinker, but then he has lived his entire life in western Washington.
     
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