My Thoughts On Supplements

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  1. Jeff Elohim

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    The greedy corporations and farmers and agricultural conglomerates (worldwide?) have since ww1 taken nutrients of all kinds out of the food supply. By ww2 the results were greatly increased profits for the so-called "health industry" (because of lower health in general)...
    Obviously, since then, things for many continued to get worse. Consumer Reports tested many oranges, and discovered that some of them had no vitamin C at all.... (because of the soil they were grown in, and chemicals used in the areas they were grown, and chemicals used in processing, etc , perhaps several different reasons? ) ....

    Famous, or infamous , studies showed that mice or rats died when fed cereal made for children, and when given a choice, the mice or rats would eat the cardboard box the cereal came in , and would ignore the cereal...

    Likewise, calves given processed milk only , instead of cows milk, died in a few weeks ... and so on....

    There is great profits, and has been for two generations or more, in producing and selling food that does not help anyone be strong and healthy.
     
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    I think the better question might be, if you do not know what it does, then why take them but yeah, that’s pretty much the point I was making in my last post in reply to John.
    There are many things we take to help our bodies along that have no outstanding effect that we feel. That’s when the research comes in. Vitamin D3 is a must even if one spends time in the sun but what does it do? Vitamin C, even if we drink a ton of orange juice is another one but what does it do?
    In the case for taking Boron, I already gave the condensed version of the reason but how many people do Not take at least 6mg a day just to help make sure that their hip doesn’t break when they fall?

    There are so many easy things we can do to better our physical and mental well being but for lack of the willingness to study, many people either take what they shouldn’t or deny their body an additional benefit.
     
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    Lon, I just asked my wife that question, "why" and she said "they keep us healthy" (well, most of the time). "We don't always eat right" was another answer her and I agreed on.
     
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    And maybe there are many people who would be "willing to study" (instead of lack the willingness) if ,

    if,

    if they thought or knew they could make progress and improve their own health so much as they can, instead of

    mistakenly (or rightfully) thinking they couldn't do a thing better about it... (due to whatever circumstances) ..

    For instance here, broken hips, I don't remember reading nor hearing of 'boron', but it may be a huge or a small reason it happens, that is a lack of boron increases bone brittleness .... perhaps frequently ?

    Yet a much greater (apparently ) cause was known a century ago.... processed foods , mostly processed milk, causes bone loss or bone weakness or bone brittleness (no, it does not strengthen the bones).

    This was observed also by a young woman at Walmart from another country (that did not have processed milk) , she asked "WHY do women here in the usa break a bone when they fall, and not in my country?"

    The answer: in her country, besides walking miles every day, they don't have nor drink processed milk.

    Just being a topic for research at the moment, I looked it up after reading the quoted post today ---
    here's what I found right away fwiw: (note that the "official" (professional) understanding cannot or does not comprehend the "epidemiological data" and cannot properly explain it)

    "They also cite D. Mark Hegsted's article concluding that ecologic studies suggest that populations with high calcium intakes (mainly from dairy products) have the highest hip fracture rates.3 Hegsted, who was chairman of nutrition at Harvard, in the same article wrote:

    "It seems quite clear that we do not understand the etiology of osteoporosis; the epidemiological data need an explanation, and something is wrong when current explanations are inconsistent with general experience."
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    "A 1994 study of 209 subjects and 207 controls in Sydney, Australia, found that the one-fifth portion (quintile) of men and women over age 65 with the highest milk product consumption, especially at age 20, had approximately double the risk of hip fracture compared to the quintile with the lowest consumption."


    "on 03/29/2020

    My husband has osteoporosis due to medication. He also has stage 4 copd. Today, pulling on his sock, he felt a snap in his back. We feel he broke a bone but, with this covid thing going around, are hesitant to go to the ER. I don't know that there is much they can do for him, perhaps a brace or something, but he couldn't undergo surgery due to the copd. He is taking magnesium, potassium, calcium and Vit d3. I will have him start K2 today. Is there anything else he can do? Should we see a dr about this? Exposing him with his lung condition to people at the hospital is something we would rather avoid. Also, it seems that without fail, when dr's treat anything, the treatment doesn't take into account his other conditions and medications and often make things worse. Please make suggestions.
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    Hi Gertjr -

    To be on the safe side, I would phone your doctor and describe exactly what happened to your husband. Due to COVID-19 many doctors are just doing teleconferencing - taking phone calls from patients and deciding if and when they should come in. This protects the patient as well as the doctor and office staff. In the meantime, look for comments from “Jon from Australia” on Earth Clinic's fracture page (you have probably been on that page but may not have seen Jon's comments – there are quite a few – under the heading “Horsetail”):

    He describes using silica for fast healing of bones, fractures and breaks. As well, you may want to ask your doctor to have your husband's Vitamin D3 levels checked. I had been taking D3 supplements for many years but, when I had a test done, it was sub-optimal. Maybe my body wasn't absorbing it properly (I'm a senior living in the north) but it took quite awhile (with a higher dose) before my range was even considered normal. I get re-tested twice a year. Dr. Mercola has a great resource page on Vitamin D3. It's vital for so many things. https://www.mercola.com/article/vitamin-d-resources.htm"
     
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  5. Lon Tanner

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    Boy O Boy I sure have. I looked in my medicine cabinet and see tubes, jars,bottles of products that never did what they were advertised to do, and all doctor reccommended of course. What a foolish waste of money.
     
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    I have, and sometimes they seem to help, at least for a while, possibly as a result of the placebo effect.
     
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    No; I have never been a supplement person. :D
     
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    I used to be on a significant supplement program, but it was items and quantities and combinations arrived at by my own research. Along the way I might have added something (like krill oil or COQ10), but it was always with research. I've never bought something based on "it boosts your memory" or other such claims.

    I've never taken herbals, mostly because the volume and potency of the active ingredient can never be assured. You run into that issue picking your own herbs for home remedies...each plant is different, as are soil conditions and that year's weather. Heck, some recipes call for using bottled lemon juice rather than fresh squeezed because the level of acidity (ph) in stuff made under controlled conditions is consistent, while the level in nature varies from fruit to fruit.
     
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    That's why I like reading product reviews before buying. Some reviews are phony, but some are not. A person has to learn how to know the good from the fake.
     
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    no i dont
     
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    That's true, but for stuff like this, you gotta remember that everyone's physiology is different.
    • If you are deficient in a given vitamin, you're gonna feel much better when you supplement, and the product gets 5 Stars.
    • If you are not deficient in that vitamin, you're not gonna feel a thing when you supplement, and the product gets 1 Star.
    Then there's the potential placebo effect. And each person metabolizes stuff differently.
    Things like this are full of subjectivity, even when all reviews are honest and accurate.

    Plus most of the claims border on being complete B.S., and the people who pitch this stuff may as well be selling Sham Wows in mall kiosks.

    [​IMG]
    (Did you know he was born in Israel as Offer Shlomi?)​
     
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  13. Cody Fousnaugh

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    When I do "reviews" I state the truth about how I feel about the product.

    I take Digestive Gold w/Probiotics twice a day. One with breakfast and two with dinner. Sure has kept me from hitting the Pepto Bismol bottle every night when I went to bed.
     
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    Me too.

    But our bodies are different.
     
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    Every body is mostly water. And each body needs specifically about eighty four nutrients or substances to be alive, such that if only one is gone or too low, death.

    Balancing the nutritional needs of the body is much more difficult today since drugmakers took over in society, medical and government and education and television and media, etc.

    For hundreds of years
    there were thousands of remedies that worked, now still better than drugs, but forgotten, lost, or illegal although totally safe.

    One recent source for hundreds of examples in simple English >>
    https://www.legendsofamerica.com/na-remedy/4/
     
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