New Unrest In Occupied Palestine

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  1. Ken Anderson

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    Wow, I didn't know that stones and crude weapons could cause the kind of explosions that Israel has been experiencing. That's impressive.
     
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    There are TWO conflicts going on. One is civil and the other is being waged by Hamas against Israel.
    So far as Palestinians using rocks and stones, those are civilians attacking Israelis in their own cities. That would be like a bunch of Mexican nationals attacking people in Iowa or worse, Americans living in one of many American settlements in Mexico attacking Mexicans.
    U.S. property, U.S. law. Mexican property, Mexican law. Israeli property, Israeli law. Live peacefully and everything is Kumbaya.

    The Palestinians have been more than welcome to live in Israel provided that they live peacefully. Yes, like in all situations similar to that, there are going to be some prejudices some of which are assumed and some of which are real.
    This latest civil conflict within Israel didn’t start with an Israeli policeman attacking a Palestinian but the other way around. When more than one incident happens like that in a short period of time it’s called an uprising and the possible beginnings of a civil war.

    Now, so far as women and children being killed, they’re being killed on both sides of the line but do notice that the offensive positions that Hamas has taken are next to and in structures that contain women and children. Hamas is using those people as human shields and at some point, no matter how careful a military force is, civilians are going to get hurt and killed when a war is waged that way.
     
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    Sorry, but once you start a fight, it is not up to you to limit how the other side responds. If you throw a rock at me and I have a 9mm Glock in my hand, guess what.

    And as long as you support Hamas and their aggression, you are a part of the problem.
     
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    Biden will make a statement about Israel as soon as someone tells him what to say.
     
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    Why should they (Palestinians, so-called) be allowed to "occupy another with impunity" or even without impunity ?

    Since they came from other countries, let them "be safe!!" in other countries where they came from, or go or live somewhere they can go and live 'in peace' without occupying another area that is not theirs ?
     
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    I believe Hamas has just bragged that they have a new intermediate range missile that Iran has supplied. As far as I know, they have not used it yet, but the Yemenis have it and will use it on Israel at Iran's go-ahead. As I have said, I believe Iran is trying either to get the U.S. engaged in a major conflict, or getting more concessions and funding out of the U.S. now that they see a weak administration and a brainless President in charge, who may try to buy them off as Obama did.
     
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    BREAKING: U.S. Approves $735 Million Weapons Sale To Israel

    That report came via The Daily Wire and I guess it’s about time but $735 million worth isn’t a lot of munitions. At this point I’m not sure if Israel asked to buy more and was refused or if that’s all they wanted to buy.
    U.S. made precision missiles go anywhere between 4K-28K a piece all the way up to a Tomahawk missile at 1.5 million a piece.

    Edit and note: Thus far, Hamas has unloaded over 3000 rockets into Israeli cities. I suspect that our tax dollars that the Biden administration is so willing to give to the Palestinians is being used to buy those rockets from Iran.
     
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    Or , maybe, to buy them from the .... look both ways ..... Sea Eye Aye ?
     
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    From everything I have read, the recent Israeli head-fake was to get the Hamas fighters to go to ground in their tunnel system and then destroy the tunnels with JDAMs and such. It is the only way Israel can get to the fighters without killing civilians, as the brave Hamas guys launch their weapons from civilian area, and if Israel strikes back they will hit women and kids which can then be marketed to the Western media to show how evil the Jews are.
     
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    My 1950 printed version of Thomas Nelson & Sons Holy Bible (King James version as of 1611 A.D has maps at the back. They have a map of Palestine. But it seems to be a conglomerate of Samaria, Gilead and El Ghor alongside the Jordan river. Israel did not exist until 1947 until the Balfour declaration that created it from the above areas. They have maps of Jerusalem in detail from the period, but Jerusalem was around for centuries before Israel was created. As long as children on both sides are fermented in the broth of hate, there will be no resolution. Arab and Jew are yin and yang seemingly destined to fight it out until mutual extermination.
     
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    Very few are still living who were born when Israel was first formed. I think a more serious grievance with the younger generation of Palestinians is the Jewish settlements being built in Palestinian territory occupied by the Israelis as the result of the 1967 war. These settlements have been expanded continuously since then. To build settlements in a territory that a country occupied is classified as a war crime.
     
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    Are you sure you mean “war crime”?
    If there were agreements made during a time of war and either side usurps or rather, violates a part or the whole of said agreements then that is a war crime or crimes.
    Since no settlement was built during a time of declared war then an indictment of a criminal action may be presented and even insinuated that such criminal action could lead to war but it doesn’t constitute a war crime in those specific terms.

    Even the Russian takeover of Crimea, a sovereign country, wasn’t counted as being a “war crime”.
     
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