Upcoming Supreme Court Case On Religious Freedom

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  1. Joseph Carl

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    Finally, a suppressed, forgotten, but important case for America's Christian heritage has been elevated to the U.S. Supreme Court docket. I hope the right leaning Justices will uphold our founding fathers' intent for freedom of religion rather than freedom from religion. This coach is not the only American to lose his job over the public prayer issue. We need a vindication that not only gives him back his job, but penalizes the school financially enough to set an example for other businesses and schools that attack Christianity. It seems the secular culture today doesn't fear God anymore, but they might still respect civil lawsuits and hefty fines.

    High Court Agrees To Hear Case of Washington Football Coach Fired For on-Field Prayers
    https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/202...ton-football-coach-fired-for-on-field-prayers
     
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  2. Bill Boggs

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    Don’t much matter how they rule i would think. Guess it depend on school policy. Coaches and players
    all over the country have held hands and prayed.before football games and after games. Over my life
    time I come to realize prayers are not answered but we pretend they are. If it is against school policy,
    thy should rule against him. Faith based policy should be subordinate to the realistic. There are other
    opinions
     
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    I think everybody has a right to pray or not pray wherever and whenever they choose. I wonder if it would have been different if he had been a professional player kneeling for BLM?
     
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    would have been different. The coach was an employee and apparently violated school policy.
    Me thinks.
     
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    Private schools can make up the rules as they go along but public schools or any school for that matter that takes federal funding from ALL taxpayers shouldn’t be able to dictate policy regarding freedom OF religion nor mandate that any religious activities be forbidden as would be the case of freedom from religion.

    To dictate anything differently would be saying that the only religion that can be practiced in schools is Atheism.
    And, to dictate anything differently is to deny those who enjoy their religion their 1st amendment rights.

    Ya can burn the American Flag wherever ya want but God forbid someone / ANYONE should want to pray at a football game.
     
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    We’ll see what the court has to say. Doesn’t matter much to me. But I have always thought religous
    activity should be practiced at church or in the home. However, we have wagged this back and forth
    for years now, haven't we? Should have been settled long ago. Maybe the court will clarfy.
     
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  7. Bobby Cole

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    The problem we have is that no court can clarify what should be or shouldn’t be in the heart of a good person.

    Now, in regard to one’s religion only being practiced at church or at home, I’m a bit surprised by that analysis in that you’re insisting that we should hide as though there’s something wrong or wicked about it.
    My goodness, perchance if one looks around, one can see all sorts of levels of immodesty and lewd behavior which seems to be accepted quite well by our society and even admired but yet those same people are somehow offended by something good and decent?
     
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  8. Bill Boggs

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    It is much like separation of church and state.
     
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    Are we forgetting about prophecy as it relates to end times and the generation that see the Lord's return? Apostasy, falling away, hostility and persecution against those who believe, it gets worse it doesn't get better, all out war against those who believe the scriptures and are followers of Christ. We are heading for a one world religion and government that is going to be hostile to all things Christ and Bible.
     
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    The separation of church and state is an overused quip by those in office who are not familiar with the reasoning behind it.

    The Church of England was actually the prevailing power both in a religious context and political. In essence, the Church of England WAS England and not only were there no other religious practices allowed but the Church literally ran the dynasty. In many ways, the Monarchy served the church much the same as the President of Iran serves the Mullahs nowadays.

    Thus, one of the chief foundations of the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States is built upon the principle that the Government cannot dictate one’s choice of religions even though yes, the majority of the founding Fathers were practicing Christians consequently giving rise to a government founded upon Christian values.
    Note: Nor, may I add can a particular religion BE the government because the Government is by, for and of the people;
    not an Aristocracy, not a Monarchy where one’s blood line determines who is on a throne, nor a Theocracy where only religious leaders can determine the scope of the government.

    The bottom line is this: Whilst the Government cannot legally control what religions are freely enjoyed by the populous, what it is attempting to do is to LIMIT how much someone enjoys their religion by regulating where the boundaries of individual religions lay.

    Basically, the way I see it is that instead of freedom of religion, the government is saying that prayer, a chief part of nearly every religion, can be regulated like alcohol use.
    You can drink but we’ll tell you when, where and for how long you can do it.
    Funny thing, you can drink at a football game but may the government forgive you if you pray which brings us to one last thing:

    There’s an overwhelming problem with drugs, alcohol, sex abuse and gangs at public schools and colleges but the one thing we hear most about are coaches and students who pray.
    I don’t think even school shootings are given that much press.
     
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    Excellent read @Bobby Cole and isn't that the truth about "prayer" being whined about and doing away with it. Light does overtake darkness, in fact, darkness (darkness gets no capital "D" from me) cannot exist in the Light, period!
     
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    ""The bottom line is this: Whilst the Government cannot legally control what religions are freely enjoyed by the populous, what it is attempting to do is to LIMIT how much someone enjoys their religion by regulating where the boundaries of individual religions lay."

    For the life of me, I don't see a problem here. I like my evening beer. If I am a guest at a home where people don't drink beer, I have no problem. A few years back we had a big family reunion at an upscale restaurant. Several of the people present were practicing LDS (Mormons) who don't drink alcohol. I didn't order my usual beer.

    Occasionally, wife and I are invited by a friend to attend a church service. I go through all of the moves. I remember during my High School teaching years, there was a guest speaker who asked the audience to stand up for the prayer before he started his lecture. I stood up and walked out, and a few colleagues followed.
    As I've mentioned several times, I'm a card carrying atheist, but I don't try to convert my religious friends.
     
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    To me, this is a two-sided issue. I believe that people should be able to gather together and pray if they want to do so, but maybe public property is not the best place to do this.
    Also, if one kind of religious ceremony is legal to hold on public property, then any kind will be allowed. Some of you might remember that the luciferians put up some kind of pagan thing right at Christmas, because they said that if Christians could put up a nativity scene, then they could put up any kind of religious scene that they wanted from their pagan beliefs.

    I remember when I was in school, we had the pledge of allegiance to the flag, and then the principal read a scripture from the Bible, and we had a moment for silent prayer, if we wanted to pray.
    I was upset when they decided that prayer in schools was not legal; but the truth is, Christians are only thinking about Christian prayers and Bible readings.
    Once a school is opened up for any kind of religious teachings, then they are open for all kinds of religious teachings. We have chaplains in the military for pagans and witches, and other kinds of satanic religious beliefs because of this.
    I do not believe that this is how it was intended to be when this country was first started, but this is what we now have arrived at.
     
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    This all boils down to one thing, ever since Jesus came into our lives, there has been hate for Him, His followers, and the bible. Other religions are rarely messed with unless they start sacrificing virgins, oh wait, there's "businesses" doing that too, with people and their big money with their seeking of everything "pleasurable" to them, oblivious to their wrongs, let alone admitting them.

    That's what this is all about. Even the catholics aren't hated like christians are. It's a spiritual battle for believers in Christ, period! Let the smart, edgee'cated people believe what they want. They can't get rid of all that is true and good, and they'll never wipe out all believers, even if they have to hide in basements in order to pray and teach their children right from wrong. Haters of christianity have never been able to get rid of the people's belief in Christ, and they're not going to.
     
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    I may be wrong but I am not, so sure founding fathers were Christians more like Deists.
     
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