Reason To Leave Religion

Discussion in 'Philosophy & Psychology' started by Mary Ann Smith, May 25, 2023.

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What was your reason for leaving?

Poll closed Jun 1, 2023.
  1. Not getting anything out of it.

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  2. Not enough time to go.

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  3. No longer a believer

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    25.0%
  4. Did you have a bad experience in church?

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  1. Mary Ann Smith

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    People are leaving churches in droves these days for various reasons, and I’m writing a book about it. Are you one of them, and if so, would you mind simply telling me why you left? No judgement or preaching here. Thank you.
     
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  2. Ken Anderson

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    I have left my church but I have not left religion. I grew up in an Evangelical Covenant Church, and I have been a member of a couple of Grace Brethren Churches, a Church of Christ (non-instrumental), a Southern Baptist Church, and an American Baptist Church. While not a member, the last church that I regularly attended was a tiny, non-denominational church. That church dissolved after the pastor had a stroke and moved away.

    In all but the last of these churches, I have served in various capacities (deacon, secretary, treasurer, and interim pastor). Belonging to a local church provided accountability, fellowship, and the feeling that I was faithful to the dictates of being a part of the church, and, through my involvement with the church, I was encouraged to learn and consider my beliefs and the reasons for them.

    I left the American Baptist Church, where I was a deacon because a new pastor introduced politics into the church. Rather, I should say that he allowed it because I don't think that it was his idea. Nevertheless, when brought to his attention, he did not change course.

    I have not sought to join another church because they all closed at the whim of our governor during the COVID-19 sham, choosing to follow the dictates of our governor rather than Christ, who commanded that we come together as a church. Although the churches have reopened, their closure indicated, to me, that they had placed the governor at the head of the church and I have no interest in joining a state church. By agreeing to close, the churches made it clear that they were unnecessary.

    I am as much of a Christian today as I have ever been, and, considering that Christ has said that wherever two or three are gathered together in His name, He will be there in the midst of them, so perhaps I am still attending a church, albeit without a dedicated building and the trappings of a church. While I will, and do, attend Bible studies with a few other people, or sometimes just my wife and I, it is unlikely that I will ever again join an established church.
     
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  3. Hedi Mitchell

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    Raised as a Baptist. Did not like the church or the organization itself. I became Episcopalian. It was more my style and was as close to Catholic my family would allow. After many years ditched that religion and tried a host of others. My conclusion, was religion is made by man , not God. I have since called myself as a self religionist. People interpret the Bible the way they read it. So many do not agree on the teachings.
     
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  4. Thomas Windom

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    I have mentioned my experience elsewhere here but I came to the conclusion many decades ago that I require experimental proof of anything making a supernatural claim. Short version, raised in Mennonite environment went to private Mennonite school, Sunday school, Bible school for 1-7 grades. Then went through Catholic instruction, got babtized and it all started slowly falling apart.

    If anyone is interested …http://seniorsonly.club/threads/i-came-out-of-the-closet-when-i-retired.3446/page-5#post-652309
     
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  5. Cody Fousnaugh

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    As for wife and I, we don't see that "people leaving churches in groves" statement. There are still Mega Churches that really pack in a congregation! We have one just a few miles east of us. As for us, we like Cowboy Church, which has a very small congregation. Mega Churches just aren't our thing. Have attended, and possibly will again, a Baptist Church.

    When the Pandemic hit, we stopped physically going to both Cowboy Church and Baptist church and started watching a church service online and on tv.

    We believe in what the Bible says and not how people interrupt it for themselves.
     
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    I was raised in the Baptist church and attended others as I grew up to see if there might be a better fit for me. (Presbyterian, Catholic, Methodist, non-denom.) I finally came to realize that organized religion is just not for me, and ultimately concluded that I am a religious skeptic (agnostic).

    I have been searching for my own answers for many years and continue to do so, but I will never attend church services again. It is not something I need though at some level I do believe in a higher power of some sort. When in personal despair, I have called out "God, help me." I only hope someone is listening.
     
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    Just saw a similar thread in another place. The poll questions don't apply to me so I will just say there is a difference between leaving a particular church, leaving religion and leaving God.
     
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  8. Bobby Cole

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    Amen and amen!
     
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  9. John Brunner

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    I was reading a Pew poll that showed church attendance was on the rise before the government used COVID as an excuse to shut them down. People did not leave the church, the government did what all corrupt governments eventually do...it nailed the doors shut (while that same government found a way to keep liquor stores and strip clubs up & running.) Government has--and continues to--threaten churches (but not mosques) if they don't violate their core principles and unite a man and a man (or a woman and a woman) in holy matrimony in the eyes of God, cynically using gays as its weapon against Christianity. So churches must stop being churches if they want to exist. The FBI has been caught putting covert agents in Catholic churches because those churches are a "breeding ground for white supremacists." One might reasonably suspect that the infiltration in all churches started long ago, and it's beginning to effect change.
     
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  10. Bobby Cole

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    The moral and ethical values that are the very foundation of a civilized free society are predominately based on Judeo-Christian beliefs.

    Sadly, with the advent of a new social construct that has no beliefs in a higher entity other than themselves, morals and ethics are nothing more than what an individual wants them to be at any given time.

    That said, since religion is nothing more than a variety of “isms”, the change from one ism to another isn’t leaving a religion but rather, replacing it with an another one.

    To me, the better question would be “Have you left God” to which my answer is this:
    Everything I have done and said; Every time I ran into trouble or was injured in some way; Every time I doubted Him or even His existence;
    He has never abandoned nor turned His back on me.

    nuff said?
     
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  11. Michelle Anderson

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    I was raised by a mother who was a pagan and a father who was an atheist, and as a result, I had no idea about God or even moral values. I became a follower of Christ in 2000 and was baptized in the Baptist denomination.

    I began to notice that, nationwide, most denominations were caving in to the social pressures, and that didn't seem good to me.

    I was involved with a jail ministry and the rules said I had to be sponsored by a church. I tried numerous denominations throughout about 2007 until 2010 looking for a church to belong to, but the differences I had with most of them were significant and foundational.

    Along with another couple and a couple of single people, we started a small Christian community where we intended to live as the apostles did: in community and with Christ and His teachings as our guide. I think I was pretty idealistic. Overly idealistic, I guess. Human nature took hold, and one guy -- one with some strange but adamant ideas -- sort of became the "leader" of the community. I think the disagreement over whether or not Christ was actually sleeping in a boat was true or not, given that he was God and didn't sleep was the signal of the end of that experiment for me.

    At some point, I realized that Christ was quite likely not thrilled with the idea of denominations, and I stopped going to "organized" denominational churches.

    Addressing the question of whether I have "left" a church, I think I have not. I believe those who have tossed away the principle of Christian unity in furtherance of strife and hopping to other denominations have lost sight of Christ's messages.

    I identify as a member in good standing in the Body of Christ. I still pray, read and study the Bible, and live by my faith in God and Christ.
     
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    I think many people get disillusioned by churches. I got disillusioned by the worship community in which I was raised. I think that is a very common thing. But all large institutions, including religious ones, are populated by the same people who populate the general society.

    And that means that church populations have roughly the same amount of criminals and corrupt people as the general society.

    For me, growing up, that is not something I thought about. I thought all Church going people were very nice. When I came to discover that was not always so, I got very disillusioned.

    My wife works for a major Catholic university. Yes, I am fully aware of all the scandals. But, despite that being the case, that is still just the tiny percentage of horrible people, that populate any large community or organization. The priest community, the religious community are still doing enormous amounts of charity work all throughout our society and the world.

    If the media covered all that the Church does, it would not be 99 nice stories for every horrible one, it would literally be something like 9999 nice stories for every horrible one.

    But, the 9999 stories don't tend to sell by-lines for the media, so they don't get covered.

    Churches are also populated by plenty of ordinary people, with the same foibles and personality flaws that everyone else has. So, yes, you might find a priest who is arrogant or a deacon who is miserly or whatever. That is just human nature.

    That same priest who is arrogant, might be very loving and generous. And that same deacon who is miserly, might be very very polite and humble.

    The idea here is simple...don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

    God exists. Jesus exists. Prayer works. The spiritual teachings of the Bible are true. Don't give that up, just because humanity is very very very imperfect and the organizations run by imperfect people, are imperfect.

    If you can't find a church that is not filled with people you don't like...then just continue to pray on your own. Many, many people have made that choice.

    Personally, I think it is best to share some with community, however imperfect...but I certainly sympathize with those who have encountered difficulties.

    My ex got kicked out of Catholic school as a kid. Why? She literally decked a nun and knocked her out, stone cold unconscious.

    I have met nuns who were so abusive, they deserved a knockout punch. And, of course, I have met the exact opposite.
     
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    I believe in nothing supernatural but I think the country was better off when it was more religious. Too many today have no foundation and are apparently mentally incapable of establishing one for themselves.
     
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    I agree 99.99%. But even as an adult, I am disappointed at some of the behaviour; after all, this is not a representative slice of humanity that one might randomly encounter at Walmart, these are people taking time out of their lives to spend at that specific institution. I guess motives vary. And the world has no obligation to meet my personal expectations ;)
     
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