Will The Hamas-israeli War Bring Ww3?

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  1. Vada Bloom

    Vada Bloom Very Well-Known Member
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    This is what a weak, senile leader does to try to make himself the hero and win the next election. This one looks like it could turn into his biggest mistake yet.

    I saw some of those videos, Marie. They were innocent people just living their lives taking care of their families.

    Some people are crying about what Israel is going to do to Hamas. After seeing what happened to the Israeli civilians I’m having a hard time with those who have sympathy for terrorists.
     
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  2. Marie Mallery

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    Vada I feel bad about war, but hope Israel is ok and peach comes.
     
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    I feel the same. It has been a sad day.
     
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  4. Marie Mallery

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    Yes it has.
     
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    Unfortunately civilians get caught up in any war action. Apparently from the reports I have seen, civilians were the primary target of Hamas, which in my book makes it a terrorist attack, just like 9-11 was. The entire world should be condemning this action, but they won't. Too many wussies.
     
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    Okay, I just saw one statement by the Taliban that offered some of the U.S. weapons that Joe abandoned in Afghanistan to anyone who wants to conquer Jerusalem. I guess we are not only financing the attack on Israel, but we have supplied weapons as well. Biden has now promised Israel everything it needs to fight Hamas, but he also promised that to Ukraine. Those weapons come form the same stockpiles that we would need to defend ourselves. We cannot rebuild many of those weapon stores because China has shut off items like rare earth minerals that are needed to build those weapons.

    We are getting ourselves into a serious situation folks.
     
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  7. Don Alaska

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    Well now there are reports that American weapons are being used by the Hamas fighters to attack Israeli tanks and helicopters. The thought is these weapons were purchased on the black market from weapons that have been supplied to Ukraine but siphoned of to enrich the corrupt bureaucrats in Ukraine and are being sold on the black market to international sources. I don't know that there is independent confirmation, but the weapon characteristics are reported to be American.

    What a mess. Ol' Joe now is said to want $100 billion more for Ukraine and is going to send it without Congressional approval. How can we go on like this?
     
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    We can’t, just like the guy who leaped from the 50th floor of a building was heard to have said as he passed the 3rd floor, “this isn’t so bad.”
     
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  9. Marie Mallery

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    Maybe more to who than what? I wonder who else is involved.
     
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  10. Marie Mallery

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    Par for the course. it is like 'Spy vs Spy' and just as, Mad. Piano playing shmuck in Ukraine funded by the tyrants here and Afghanistan left behind weapon's.
    My main pity is for the youth of the world, especially my own, my nations also.
     
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  11. Jake Smith

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    IMO, these wars never make any sense, innocent people die, while the stupid leaders go on living their lives and causing more chaos. I think if the ones above the law, who cause them and allow illegal wars, don't get brought down to the rest of our levels, "No one is above the law", they will cause WW3.

    Example of what I'm trying to say.

    Post-9/11 wars have contributed to some 4.5 million deaths.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/15/war-on-terror-911-deaths-afghanistan-iraq/



    Afghanistan war.

    “Never would I have believed then or up until this point where we are today that not just a little bit, not just some, but all of the $85 billion dollar’s worth of American equipment that we turned over to the Afghan police and the Afghan Army would fall in the hands of our enemy,” Bank said on Aug. 30. “That’s where we are at this point because of the negligence, the hasty and incompetent withdrawal led by this commander in chief, all of the $85 billion dollar’s worth of equipment has been left behind and fallen into the hands of the Taliban, without any plan, there was never a plan by this administration or the Pentagon to destroy or evacuate any of that equipment. … Leaving $85 billion of equipment. Vehicles, weapons and ammunition, night vision goggles, medical supplies, biometric devices and data of our allies. All of it falling into the hands of the Taliban.”

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    The American war in Afghanistan incurred staggering costs — for the United States, Afghans and others — over two decades. The U.S. government spent $2.3 trillion, and the war led to the deaths of 2,324 U.S. military personnel, 3,917 U.S. contractors and 1,144 allied troops.Nov 3, 2022

    The list goes on and on of mistakes that make no sense, that's why I don't get too involved in i.
     
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  12. Marie Mallery

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    Maybe they want WW111?
     
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    The United States insists on imposing "democracy" on peoples and nations who don't want it and are not capable of maintaining it. We have demonstrated in recent years that we ourselves are not capable of maintaining a democratic republic but we insist others do it. We spend trillions of dollars and thousands of lives to try to do the impossible and unwanted.
     
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    Yes, it was an attack by Hamas which is a terrorist group supported by Iran. There are far too many wussies and many more people who simply do not know the history of the Middle East and do not understand this.

    Then there are Hamas supporters mixed into America and other democracies. On one forum where I’ve read there are longterm forum members openly supporting Hamas and that seems to be acceptable there. There is a pro-Palestinian march taking place in NYC now and a young girl on my TV screen declaring that Israel attacked Palestine and they are the terrorism. Ignorance runs deep.

    Apparently the Biden administration may be actually following through on some support for Israel. There is a report that a carrier group is being moved into position to offer some support and that other things are on the way. I heard this but I will believe it when I see it. Don, I agree that it is a very serious situation. We also have China and Ukraine to worry about and the same weak leader in the White House.

    I would kindly suggest to anyone that can’t see a difference between the two sides and tend to lump the leaders together to do some reading of history. There is much that can be learned.

    Maybe no one wants WWIII. Maybe some just want to end the only democracy in the Middle East and are willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish it.
     
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    True, lots of countries were taken down to get their resources too. Not to get off topic, but like Iraq, they had nothing to do with 911. But they sure took them down. So many unbelievable killings of innocents it's mind-boggling. Trump said that he would give us a guarantee, that he would stop WW3 if he's elected. Has his work cut out; if they don't steal it again. I think it's all written out and we just have to live it, the only thing that makes any sense to me.



    This link is a pretty good read about what you're saying, Don. I do remember the gov replacing some leaders to promote it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_promotion_by_the_United_States

    History of American democracy promotion[edit]
    American foreign policy attitudes toward democracy promotion in the Middle East and North Africa have changed significantly from the twentieth to the twenty-first centuries, with the former largely dominated by nominal commitment to democratic change in the region and the latter witnessing intensified, even forceful, efforts at democratization.

    Post-WWII[edit]
    The notion of development emerged in the 1940s and 1950s out of the post-World War II context in which a new international economic order was established, the United States made contributions to European reconstruction, and attention to the post-colonial Third World increased.[27] The United States included among its aims in World War I the defense of democracies, and after WWII attempted to institutionalize democratic systems in countries that had lost the war (such as Germany and Japan); meanwhile during the Cold War, democracy promotion was a distant goal, with security concerns and a centering of policy against Soviet expansion dominating.[28] President Jimmy Carter applied limited diplomatic pressure, which resulted in a conservative backlash resistant to criticism of authoritarian allies, while President Reagan selectively supported anti-communist democratic transition in countries such as El Salvador, the Philippines, and South Korea.[29]

    In the MENA region, however, the United States did little to rupture relations with authoritarian regimes and largely avoided paying significant attention to human rights and democratization.[30] Indeed, at times the United States found itself opposed to democratic governance in the MENA region when it conflicted with American interests – participating in the overthrow of a democratically elected government in Iran in 1953, for example, due to oil interests and alleged fear of any leftist move toward the Soviets.[31]
     
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