A Prediction -- Donald Trump & Newt Gingrich

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  1. Lon Tanner

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    This my prediction of who will be candidates for President & VP in the forth coming U.S. election.
    I think they would make a good match and have a excellent chance of winning.
     
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    I just posted to that possibility in the Trump thread, so I'll quote it here since it's on-topic here as well. In short, I think that it would be a winning ticket but I'm afraid that it would erode the prize. That doesn't mean that it won't happen, though.

     
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    I have heard Trump and Gingrich circulated as well. But i have also heard Trump and Huckabee spoken of as well. Trump will have to make a choice soon.
     
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    Just before retiring, Newt Gingrich authored and railroaded through Congress, which passed the bill, which gives Congress broad authority to implement and require a system of National Identification, familiarly called a "National Driver"s License", which in reality is a National Identity Card. It is sitting there awaiting the right and proper time to force upon us. Proposals for such an effort in UK met with such widespread uproar against it, that it was shelved.

    I do not know the bill's exact title, it's likely worded to sound innocuous and harmless. The individual States are extremely upset by it. One provision I recall hearing about, is that it would give Federal Agents legal ability to locally overrule Law Enforcement Jurisdiction.

    If so, New Gingrich is another of those "so trustworthy appearing" National Leaders that his activities deserve the closest scrutiny.

    Frank
     
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    You might be talking about the Real ID Act that was enacted in 2005. The reason it hasn't been put into place is that several states refused to cooperate with it. In fact, only four states agreed to put it into effect in its entirety (Indiana, Maryland, North Dakota and Wisconsin).

    That's one of the things that, in my opinion, Maine did right.

    "On January 25, 2007, a Resolution passed overwhelmingly in the Maine Legislature that refuses implementation of the Real ID Act in that state, and calls on Congress to repeal the law. Many Maine lawmakers believe the law does more harm than good, that it would be a bureaucratic nightmare to enforce, is threatening to individual privacy, makes citizens increasingly vulnerable to ID theft, and would cost Maine taxpayers at least $185 million in five years because of the massive unfunded federal mandates on all the states. The Resolution vote in the Maine House was 137–4 and in the Maine Senate unanimous, 34–0."

    If that is what you were talking about though, I don't know what involvement Gingrich had in it, however. It was introduced by Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI). Newt Gingrich resigned in 1999 after a challenge from within his own party to his position as Speaker.
     
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    @Ken Anderson Ken, thank you for digging out that confirming info. While I have forgotten the vital specifics, I am certain Newt was heavily involved. The name of the act is exactly as I remember it. Note how vague and misleading "Real ID Act" sounds. The "fine print" in it defies acceptance by freedom loving Americans.

    Personally, I rank Gingrich right up there with the foremost American freedom dissipators like John Ashcroft, who co-authored the "wonderful" Patriot Act, which in and of itself, cancelled more American freedoms than any other Federal Mandate.

    Frank
     
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    Wouldn't an ID card help in weeding out illegals. They had them in Hungary since not everyone drove to have a drivers license. We also have them for people who don't drive.

    I don't know what's involved with the one you are talking about, Frank but I don't get what the big deal is.

    You think they don't have info on you already? You are naive then. What more could be on an ID card that they don't already know?

    Hungary had a big illegal Romanian problem. It helped identifying them and sending them back home.
     
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    Our problem is that we have a federal government that doesn't want to weed out illegals, so a national ID card wouldn't have that positive effect.
     
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    But it might in the future so why not be ahead of the game?

    What more info is on it that's not on our drivers license?
     
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    @Chrissy Page
    "Frank but I don't get what the big deal is."

    The big deal is not the existence of an ID card, but rather the content of the law furthering erosion of States Rights. That was the underlying reason for authoring it: eliminating the sort of dissent voiced by States' Authorities, usually Governors who stand up against Federal Mandates.
     
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    I'm sorry but this is something that doesn't bother me. Sometimes we have to give to get. Sometimes people just argue about their "rights" even if it's on something beneficial to them in the long run.

    I didn't see it abused in Hungary. When you don't drive anymore you're going to need an ID card anyway.

    I wouldn't mind just having one card now that includes my drivers license info, my insurance cards etc. I hate having so many cards...one is enough. We aren't free to roam as we please anyway. You're delusional if you think the govt doesn't know everything about you now.

    I'm one for less government in my life, especially when it comes to my body but I don't care what they know about me, that's being paranoid. I have nothing to hide.
     
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