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  1. Dwight Ward

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    I don't much care for the analogy comparing ants to people, still ...

     
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    Have you read Walden Two? Considered to be a Utopian novel by humanists like the author, B.F. Skinner, The book envisions a human society in which people live much like ants, with a small controlling group and a much larger population who are content to be worker ants. I'm sure that B.F. Skinner envisioned himself to be part of the small ruling class. I believe this is what the progressive movement is progressing toward.
     
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    Was that the one where people are living in houses made of packed down dirt? I remember that odd fact and also that the children were raised by the 'village' instead of their birth family. Maybe I'm thinking of another work.
     
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    I was in high school when I read it so I'm not sure of the houses, although I wouldn't mind living in an earthbag home. I do believe that the children were raised by the collective, however. As Hillary might say, "It takes a village" rather than a set of parents. The scariest thing to me is that it was presented as a Utopian novel, yet the message was Dystopian to me.
     
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    I agree. You could describe such a society as socialist in the extreme or even as a Skinner box writ large. Among other examples of his flawed approach, Skinner thought marriage or any committed relationship between partners was unhealthy. Perhaps he thought love itself belonged in the past.

    The society he proposed reminds me of a hive of bees. Queen bees don't encourage freedom or individuality among the workers.
     
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    With people who propose these things, however, it's important to note that they never view themselves as worker ants (or bees). No, they view themselves as being in the ruling elite.
     
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    There was an article put up on UN's website about how hunger is "a good thing" because it's the only thing that motivates people to work. Once social media got hold of what was seen as a bold admission, the UN took it down. Lots of pundits have misinterpreted what the author's intent was, and label it as "The UN Causing The Global Famine." While that may be an accurate statement, the author's point was that hunger is a required component of capitalism, deflecting blame for what is about to happen, inferring that somehow capitalism causes famine to enrich the capitalists.

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    And these idiots (like that author) honestly believe they will have a place at the table. There is no greater evidence of ignorance than to believe that such a thing is possible among the soulless.

    Health Impact News article

    Ordinary Times has some great comments on this, in which someone posted the entire [brief] article and rightly pointed out the author's intent.
     
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    Amazing. With a tweak or two we could have read that in 1942 as The Benefits Of Hunger In The Death Camps.

    The U.N. is a mouthpiece for the world elite and has never wanted any input from normal people.
     
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    Nobody wants to see anyone go hungry, but at the same time why should any man labor for another man's welfare?
    Even the Bible says " if a man does not work, he should not eat. Of course, this is talking about the able bodied not those who are not able to work.
    America did not grow into a great nation from welfare. Matter of fact it is the opposite, it grew from hard work and suffering to improve one's life. Not to speak of how slothfulness is very unhealthy. We are to help the widows and orphans and disabled.
    I'm of the philosophy of teaching a man to fish, not fish for him.
     
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    I am worried about this coming winter. I think all the world will be in dire straits.
    I hope not. China just bought up lots of crop land in Africa so they may be ok.
     
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