Connecting The Dots On A Divine Plan

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    “Look how evil forces were put in our way and how Providence intervened.” Ronald Reagan~

    They lived on different continents, but their lives unfolded in parallel lines that would one day intersect into friendship.

    When each was eight years old, their mothers suffered a terrible illness.

    Both of their fathers died in 1941.

    As they were growing up, they both participated in acting and athletics.

    They faced assassins’ bullets six weeks apart–and survived. They credited God with saving their lives–preserving them for a divine purpose.

    “I plead with you–never, ever give up on hope, never doubt, never tire, and never become discouraged. Be not afraid.” Saint Pope John Paul II~

    Ronald Reagan and Karol Wytola–better known as Saint Pope John Paul II–are the subjects of Paul Kengor’s book A Pope and a President: John Paul II, Ronald Reagan, and the Untold Story of the Twentieth Century. (Read More)
     
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    Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II: The Partnership that Changed the World
     
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    Pope John Paul II and Ronald Reagan Were a Match Made in Heaven

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    "The election of November 2020 comes 40 years to the near-exact date of the election of November 1980. It was an election of great consequence for the world, especially in a major battle confronted by the United States and the Vatican".

    "Ronald Reagan won that election, with the slogan “Make America Great Again.” Yes, literally. The U.S. public clearly agreed with that mission and the man for the job. On Nov. 4, 1980, Americans chose Ronald Reagan over the incumbent, President Jimmy Carter, in a landslide. Reagan won the popular vote by 10%, swept 44 of 50 states, and took the Electoral College by an overwhelming margin of 489 to 49".

    "One man who foresaw the dramatic shift was a Polish citizen behind the Iron Curtain, one who admired both the new American president and the new Polish pope. On Dec. 7, 1980, Lech Walesa, the head of the Solidarity movement, stood on a windy plain on the outskirts of Gdansk. Unafraid, he spoke openly of the U.S. election".

    “It was intuition, perhaps,” Walesa told a group of reporters, Americans among them, “but one year ago I envisioned what would happen. Reagan was the only good candidate in your presidential campaign, and I knew he would win.” The Catholic labor leader spoke prophetically that December day: “Someday the West will wake up and you may find it too late, as Solzhenitsyn has written. Reagan will do it better. He will settle things in a more efficient way. He will make the U.S. strong and make it stand up.”

    "The world was about to change. Lech Walesa understood, not only because he understood the man about to step into the White House, but also because he understood the man who had stepped from Krakow to St. Peter’s Square two autumns earlier: Pope John Paul II".


     
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    I can't see how Poland has survived except for the fact that their nirghbors aren't Catholic.Poland is a very proud nation and protects its nation from invasioins from outside their relihion and culture.
    Reagan should have done the same thing instead of bringing into America millions of liberal democrats through amnesty and reunification of family act. We were at one time a nation with a certain culture and like Poland today we defended that culture. Now thanks to the democratic party we are just another Babel who has fallen.
    I think the founders had it right when they seperated church and state and we should have kept it that way.
    Of course anyone who says this is called a racist so nobody spoke out and the few who did stood alone.
    Po;amd needs to take in some of those immigrants like there pope talked senile Reagan into doing. I liked Reagan as a person but not as president.I like Catholics have a couple in the family but not as crusaders for the world That Crusader thing didn't work out too good the very first massacre done in this land was done by the Jesuits killing Protestants on Hurgonaut island.No religion should hve any say so over a leadership.imo.
    https://jeanribault.org/1565-the-massacre-of-the-huguenots-by-the-spanish-in-florida/
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    Poland's biggest problems were Russia (USSR) and Germany, both supposedly "Christian" nations. The USSR was an atheist state, but most of its residents were secretly Orthodox Christians, @Marie Mallery. I am not sure how the Huguenots figure in this discussion. Catholics were burned in England, too, but that is past behavior and only an excuse for prejudice in current times, much like the slavery arguments in the U.S.
     
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    Yes long as its Catholics and not 'brown' people .Like the Polish Pope wanted fro America. Since South America is mostly Catholic then they call us racist for not wanting more liberal voting immigrants changing out culture,language and religion on the most part.

    It kinda funny how that ol race card works both ways,huh? Like I said I have no problem with Catholics long as they keep it to themselves and don't infiltrate my nation with that theology thatalwaays voted liberal. Over 90% voted democrat for more free stuff forget it advancing abortion and other 'sins' .

     
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    When America told the Polish Pope this we were called 'racist' for nott wanting millions of Catholic S.Americans coming into our nation unbridled.

     
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    Sorry, @Marie Mallery now you don't seem to make a cognitive argument. You seem to be denouncing Catholics and bringing in something about "brown" people. What about the black people of Africa, where Catholicism is growing fastest. Arabs are not "brown" people' they are Caucasians and many, particularly women, have very white skin since they are sheltered from the sun. In fact, the link between vitamin D deficiency and breast cancer was first found among Arab women who were pale due to no sun exposure.
     
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    I neversaid'brown'people unless I was repeating it said from someone else.
    See whay it is so hard to even talk about this? I was talking culture although I do like familiarity but that doesn't mean I dislike others.
    There have always been tribalism since time and nobody will change that.Skin color is only one difference we share.And yes most of us are mutts from different groups of people. And things are changing but that shouldn't put others in a cataory of being BORN RACIST just becase they think or beleive differently.
    Why did you not ask about the other things I put up like the massacre aand prejudice of the Catholics?What if I told you to only hang withand agree Protestnts,Hindus or Mulim ?


    Sorry I really made a mess of this post.I edited it.
     
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    Joe do you understand that this thread was 'religious and political ' at the same time? [ refer to post @1.
    I replied on both the religious and political points[ post @4 ] you brought up. Would you please re=read 'these first 5 post and see what I'm actually disputing is not at all about skin color but culture and influx of enough democratic voters to change our nation and how it has worked to make America " a Republic " since 1700s to a socialist democracy?
    Somehow it turned into a racial thread about slavery [ refer to post @5 ].

    Why do so many people use the race card to try to win the debate aka argument?

    This is my question to get back on topic of politics and religion a double header for any debate.:eek:
     
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    I have titled this thread "Connecting The Dots On A Divine Plan" on purpose, and I posted it in the Faith & Religion section on purpose. The content of my posts #1 - 3, & #10 are not mine. I was just pointing out how God used two great men of strong faith, by placing them into positions of power and influence, and bringing them together. Not to conspire in secret, but to encourage each other in the carrying out of their parallel but separate missions to stop communism.

    This is how God has always always worked. Two believers, with very different backgrounds, together fighting the evil that they both encountered personally.

    Racial politics is alien to this discussion. Anyone who disagrees should start their own thread on these subjects.
     
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    And I replied to that topic. And you turned it into race,why? I don't think religion should be used for political issues is all I was saying.
    Greeting of religious leaders is one thing.
    I will ask you again to read the first 5 post and see how this was turned around and not by me. I just saaid why no muslim,hindu,protestant or catholivc should influance our leadership. That was mt point. Seperation of church and state is a good thing.
    Even Jesus said this if I understand what He said. Render unto Cesar what belongs to Cesar and God what belongs to God.".
     
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    I stand corrected on the wrong post but post 13 is yours and it also insinuates I was not on subject andusing race ,which I wasn't.

    Your words, on post 13.

    Racial politics is alien to this discussion. Anyone who disagrees should start their own thread on these subjects.
     
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