How Do We Know There's A Virus?

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  1. John Nopales

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    Quite a few of us have been questioning the virus theory, because the basic truth is that no virus has ever been isolated apart from contaminated material, which is a requirement to prove that a virus exists. Therefore, saying that people died from a virus that doesn't exist can't be true either, and I haven't found any credible evidence that anyone has. Here are links with evidence that back up this basic historical truth, which has never been disproven.

    The statement on virus isolation <--
    A look at Koch's Postulates <-- and virus isolation;
    A complete refutation <-- of the whole virus theory house of cards.
    The last link shows misleading cell damage which was caused by antibiotics and starvation.

    If viruses haven't been killing people, then what has?
    Terrain theory vs germ theory <--
    Environmental pollution vs germs <--
    Body defenses & exosomes vs germs <--
    Ryan Cole, M.D. Covid-19 Vaccines and Autopsy <--
    Numerous reports of Covid-19 vaccination deaths and failures. <-- plus CDC coverups of the deaths.
     
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    Hello John and welcome to the forum. I just noticed you joined Sunday. I new too been here a few weeks.

    We really don't know what they are up too. We can't trust them. Isolation is very hard on everyone.
     
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    I think that I have read about this possibility before, although I confess that I do not understand the whole theory. Whatever it is, it does seem like it was probably developed by humans, and maybe in the lab in China that Dr. Fauci was involved in.
    Some articles say that the 1918 flu was not what killed so many people, but that they actually died from pneumonia from covering their faces with a mask (just like people are doing now).

    The other side of that, is that all through history, we have had “plagues” which came through and wiped out large parts of the populations, and this was way back before we had technology to find or develop anything like this, so there has to be some kind of germ/virus that was able to sweep through the country killing people.
    I think that this is a great topic for discussion. We might have touched on it in some of the multitude of virus threads on the forum, but I don’t think that we have one dedicated specifically to the idea that no such thing as a virus actually exists.
     
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    I was just trying to be polite. Sorry, it won't happen again.

    And here's the link again. It refutes the OP statements, which he has posted on other sites under different names. I suppose the >600,000 dead Americans don't matter. My tolerance for the anti-vaxx/anti-virus nonsense has pretty well been used up by the death from the virus of folks who I knew.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...l-to-humans-are-proven-to-exist-idUSKBN23335V
     
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    Just shouting that you do not believe something, and posting a link is not doing anything for the discussion about whether ANY KIND of a virus exists. Please try to stay on topic, and not just post irrelevant rhetoric and links. We have a whole bunch of threads here where people have posted the same kinds of non-information links.
     
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    Who's shouting? Funny, but my link is "non-information" because you apparently disagree. Stay on topic? Isn't this thread about "how do we know there is a virus" and OP says NO virus, and my link tells you how we know there is a virus.

    I guess this is the wrong site for factual information, and only the deluded, paranoid posts are allowed...
     
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    Dunno, but the 'moderation' here seems more antagonistic than moderate. :)
     
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    Well, like other posts I've done, wife and I completely believe there is a real virus. One thing is for sure though, the virus isn't nearly as bad in some areas as others. Whether Dr. Fauci had something to do with creating the virus, and is getting a high amount of money for doing it, we both think that is the most bogus thoughts in the world. We continue to take precautions and both of our PCP's are very appreciative of that.

    Of course, our opinion and our opinion only.
     
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    Can just depend on how a person looks at it, but Yvonne does a great job that Ken has her do. I don't always agree with her feelings, but she still does a great job.
     
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    You seem to be missing the whole point here, Hoot. That however many , 600,000 or otherwise, have died, is beside the point. This thread is NOT a covid-19 thread. We all know that people have died, and no one is happy about that.
    The only people who seem to be happy about that are the people saying they want unvaccinated people to die.
    If you want to post about how bad you feel that people have died, and that you believe it is from a covid virus, feel free to do that in one of the many covid threads here.

    Also, if you do not like the person who posted this thread, or me for writing in it, that is your business, but the name calling and personal attacks will NOT be tolerated.
    Personal attacks are not allowed on this forum.
     
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    I have not moderated anything, or deleted anything.
    I am a member of the forum, and am entitled to write my thoughts and opinions just the same as everyone else. Like most of us, I hate it when a thread is dragged completely off topic like this one has been.
    There are threads upon threads if someone wants to write in them what they want to say about covid. We have way more threads than is ever needed, saying the same things over and over.
    They believe dr Fauci is right, or they believe he isn’t right. Please add comments about covid into a covid thread. If this thread cannot stay on topic, I will move the off-topic posts elsewhere to a covid thread.
    Interesting that your first and only post here is to complain about the forum moderation…….

    Here is what the forum admin has to say about this:
    http://www.seniorsonly.club/threads...ut-does-it-really-warrant-a-new-thread.18166/
     
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    Of course, viruses exist but only with a host. Think of a virus as a parasite. No host no existence. No one dies of a virus but the complications it causes in the body. Using the same scientific train of thought, no one dies from cancer but from the complications it causes and its impeding with normal body function. In other words, one might die from being unable to breathe because of cancer in the lungs. The same with any virus. Let's think about the chickenpox and shingles virus, the varicella-zoster virus. Once you have it, you have it for life. One can take antiviral and make it stay dormant, but there is no known way to destroy it. In times of weakness, the virus can become active and travel thru the nerves in the body and brain, damaging or destroying them, and become so bad it impedes body function and if left untreated, the person will die.

    I am living proof of this and it is well documented. The zoster virus totally destroyed one of my balance nerves which also affects hearing. I am off balance and cannot hear in one ear. Nothing can be done to regrow or replace such nerves. It would be foolish for me to believe that the zoster virus does not exist. On the other hand, it is foolish to believe that the varicella-zoster or any virus can survive without a host.

    A virus is like any other living thing, it requires nourishment to survive. If you quit eating due to no food, then you will die. It seems to me our real non-political scientists have better things to do than argue concepts and things like when the horse and cart went over the cliff, was the cart first, or was the horse? Determining such might be necessary in solving a crime and determining if the owner of the cart and horse forced the cart over thus pulling over the horse in order to collect insurance or did the horse get stung by a bee and panic and unable to stop at the cliff.

    To say a virus doesn't exist is incorrect. To say as said in the opening post that it doesn't exist without a host is correct. What is incorrect and just plain ignorant is to say if we cannot isolate a virus from the host, then it doesn't exist. The opening statement says, "the basic truth is that no virus has ever been isolated apart from contaminated material, which is a requirement to prove that a virus exists." Who set forth that this is a requirement for viral existence? WHO? I want to know and I will argue with that ignoramus until one of us drops dead.

    We know viruses exist just like we know cancer exists. These are physical "creatures," a mutation of a host. Take for example a drop of snot. It is easy for one trained in virology to see if there is any mutation of that mucus and also identify the mutation if there are previous studies documenting such. However if not, then the virologist document the genetic sequencing as observed by way the mutation occurs and then they give the virus a name.
     
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    Nope - Please note that in the OP, Covid-19 was mentioned in reference to multiple links. The denial of the existence of viruses is nonsensical, and is dismissive of all those who have died from Covid-19. ("Plus CDC cover ups of the deaths")

    Also I didn't call anybody names. I referred to posts, not people, but certainly your personal attacks against me should not be allowed, and should be deleted or censored
     
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