The Legitimacy Of Trump's Election

The only way to get rid of the lot of them is to apply term limits on all congressional members but the problem with that is that congress is not going to vote themselves out of years of basking in the financial sun supplied by the American tax paying populus.
A good way around that would be a convention of states whereby eventually the states would decide the terms and salary of their congress people not to mention their pensions upon ETS.
I really do not know if the Supreme Court can jump in at the present time because all they are supposed to do is interpret the constitution which doesn't give any grounds for a legitimate hearing of the matter. Again, that would take a convention of states in order to effect any change in the constitution in order for our highest court to hear.

Yeah, chances are that granddad wouldn't be too happy at all Ike.

 

What I love most about all this, is Trump moving right ahead, confident that things will go as "we the people" voted. I think it's all garbage as well @Bobby Cole and I also think that the "left" and whoever else is trying to dig something up is the poorest example of Americans I have ever seen in my years.

I can't help but relate it to the person that does dirt to others, lies, cheats, sneaks, steals?? So they have to somehow bring down those who "they feel" are doing right, because "they" feel they look so bad next to them. And they do, not because the other person is so perfect, but because the liar, and traitor is so obviously guilty, the other person can't help but look better.

PS I wanted to add that maybe the "left" is doing this because they thought of the exact same ways, or similar ways, they could cheat. But if they tried, they must have failed, so now into Plan B.

 

I agree @Ike Willis , people "can" change, but often, they don't. I was just talking to a friend yesterday that had some awesome photos of days gone by, some during the depression etc. Another friend said that "we didn't even know we were poor" when we were kids. It's all about "the love of money", power, fame, and it's very popular to think of one's self before others. I always wanted to go back and live those years over, appreciate them more. When "more" Americans were truly patriotic, and seemed there were many more folks that were just hard, working people. I KNOW many were much stronger back then because they didn't have all the creature comforts

 

If I'm understanding you @Ken Anderson it's like give an inch, and it turns out to be a mile. I think of how many laws have been passed, and then used for things it was never meant to be used for.

 

This is something I don't get at all, how any part of our government officials ended up able to decide their own income, benefits, etc. That is what they do right? I can just see them voting for cuts in "their" income, or taxes. Maybe I'm confused

 

Cannot a convention be held on an agenda only, docket format whereby each item to be discussed has to be declared prior to the actual event?
I'll have to do a bit more study on the matter because I believe that Sen. Linder in his "fair tax" bill also called for a convention of states but strictly to repeal the 16th amendment abolishing the IRS. (Which would save us about 30 billion a year but put a bunch of IRS people on the welfare roles)

If what you say is true @Ken Anderson, then a practical Article V convention of states would be like playing Russian Roulette therefore making the whole movement similar to the Omnibus bill that was signed into law last year. In other words, a total disaster.

Well then, it's back to the drawing board so far as limiting the congress members to a couple of terms. Perhaps, money provided, the newly elected president can suggest a public vote or a state by state vote during their normal election periods.

 

No, YOU'RE not confused @Denise Happyfeet, the whole nation is confused from what I have gathered from a couple of lawyers I have been talking to lately at the gym.

My question has always been, "why do not the individual states pay the salaries of their representatives both in the house and senate"? What people imagine is say, when Rubio was campaigning for the presidency while also seated in Florida that Florida was paying for it's employee, Sen. Rubio....... Nope. The fed pays.
And, because the Fed, that is, we folks with apparent deep pockets and no say in the matter pays their salaries, they can vote themselves a raise each and every Christmas season like they have been doing for years. Sometimes they even vote themselves out of a raise but very seldom.
The most a state can do is vote a sitting senator or representative out of office unless of course there is some sort of chicanery going on whereby laws are broken and even then it's a long hard road getting them out. Example: Weiner resigned from office.

If each state was responsible for paying for it's representation there would be no need for term limits because every move would be heavily watched by the state legislative body holding on to the purse strings and the pensions.

 

I think you are right on @Bobby Cole and although I didn't know exactly how they were payed, now I see. I strongly disagree that "anyone" but the State population that votes these people into office to, supposedly, represent their State, should darn well pay their salaries. Talk about screwed up. The more I learn about how things work in government, the more I am astounded at how we've allowed it to be this way. I suppose if a representative is from a "less wealthy" State, then they wouldn't get the big bucks. Then maybe there should be a "set amount" that all States can afford. Yeah, like that's gonna ever happen.

 

The problem exists because the American people are extremely lazy when it comes to someone they elect into office. Can you imagine, some folks actually vote people in because of skin color or even their gender?
As long as there is a happy meal in front of them they could care less about the workings of the government. That's how socialism, communism and all of the other ism's come into existance. Laziness.

 

Yes, I can see that's how it would happen, that's how this country got into such fine shape. I was pretty disgusted at the people that weren't voting, kept it to myself, well, most of the time. I know I didn't used to get into what was going on either so I can't say much. It is what it is isn't it. I do think the fear of God got into a lot of people this time around, like, "While I was Sleeping" look what the heck happened to America.

 

I think personally that a lot of this is to stir up Trump supporters to make a mistake and demonstrate forcefully. This will give the government an excuse to use force to stop them and here we go into martial law crack down. All caused by the left stirring the pot until someone reacts

 

As a fairly staunch conservative, I believe others like you and I are way too smart to play. Let the dems burn their own houses down like they have been doing for the last eight years. They have effectively and efficiently shown their butts to the entire world and all we have to do is sit and watch for a change.

 

I've always thought about that, since I first heard it mentioned by Ben Carson. I don't know if the "left" would actually rise up unless somehow, they managed to keep Trump out of office. Then I think things would get real ugly.

 

Amen to this!! I'll follow my new leader, Trump is keeping his cool as far as I know, and if he ain't worried, neither am I I trust him to lead this country or I wouldn't have voted for him. Leading this country includes me, an American citizen