Christian School Administrator Suspended After Questioning New Lgbt Agenda

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  1. Bob Kirk

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    Beth accessing information has changed for the better or worse depending on how one views the internet & social media. Growing up I had local radio stations, local newspapers, & black & white TV. TV had programming like Ed Sullivan that wouldn't show Elvis from the waist down because it was to suggestive.

    Whether or not parents talk to their children & if they do, their knowledge & way of thinking will be what the child will think about until older. I won't be around 50 years from now but I'd sure like to be to see what happens in our world.
     
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    Dunno about anyone else but other than what is taught in Biology, I’m still against the topic of sex education as part of the curriculum in public schools.
    In Biology, one studies what each part is and does and not the social potentialities concerning those parts.
     
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    Well stated. If it doesn't fall under health or science or biology.....then it becomes moral opinion. Teaching sexuality opinions isn't the job of a teacher.
     
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    And nor should it be.

     
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    Kudos to those of you who recognize that we don't want public schools teaching wrong moral values to our children, which has become the norm lately with LGBTQ, gender identity, sex education, and evolutionary theory teachings. However, I must counter the trending conclusion that we exclude the teaching of all moral values out of the public educational system.

    I understand that the abused phrase of separation of church and state causes the vast majority of Americans to believe that religion should not be addressed in the public school system. Perhaps a reminder is due here that this was not the case for 300 years of our nation's history and certainly not our Founding Fathers' stated objectives, which is indicated here in this Congressional Proclamation of November 11, 1777:

    "It is therefore recommended to the Legislative or executive Powers of these several UNITED STATES to set apart THURSDAY, the eighteenth Day of December next, for solemn THANKSGIVING and PRAISE: That at one Time and with one Voice, the good People may express the grateful Feelings of their Hearts, and consecrate themselves to the Service of their Divine Benefactor; and that, together with their sincere Acknowledgments and Offerings, they may join the penitent Confession of their manifold Sins ... that it may please GOD through the Merits of JESUS CHRIST ... To take Schools and Seminaries of Education, so necessary for cultivating the Principles of true Liberty, Virtue and Piety, under his nurturing Hand; and to prosper the Means of Religion, for the promotion and enlargement of that Kingdom, which consisteth 'in Righteousness, Peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost.'"

    America's early universities (106 out of 108 ) were founded upon Christian beliefs and pious values. This excerpt from the Harvard University Handbook of September 26, 1642 expresses the intent of education:

    "Let every student be plainly instructed, and earnestly pressed to consider well, the main end of his life and studies is to know God and Jesus Christ, which is eternal life, John 17:3; and therefore to lay Christ in the bottom, as the only Foundation of all sound knowledge and learning. And seeing the Lord only giveth the wisdom, Let every one seriously set himself by prayer in secret to seek it of him, Proverbs 2:3.''

    The Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787, being an Act of the Confederation Congress that provided for new states west of the Ohio River, reaffirmed the ongoing role of religion in the public education system by stating:

    "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged." (Art. 3)

    At least 38 textbooks used extensively in America's public schools up to the mid 1900's contained numerous scriptures from the Holy Bible and many references to God, Jesus Christ, sin and salvation. These public school textbooks plainly show that generation after generation of American children were educated in Biblical morals, with the Christian religion at their foundation. Let me mention just two of the most influential ones.

    The New England Primer was the first reading textbook designed for educating the American Colonies. First published between 1687 and 1690, it served as the foundation of most schooling before the 1790s and remained in use well up to the 20th century. Christian religious content was extensive throughout the book, including lengthy statements of faith, prayers, and Biblical stories. Intertwined in this material were virtuous lessons of morality like this:

    "A Lesson for Children. Pray to God. Call no ill names. Love God. Use no ill words. Fear God. Tell no lies. Serve God. Hate Lies. Take not God's Speak the Truth. Name in vain. Spend your Time well. Do Not Swear. Love your School. Do not Steal. Mind your Book. Cheat not in your play. Strive to learn. Play not with bad boys. Be not a Dunce."

    The Mcguffey Reader, published in 1836, became the mainstay in public education in America until 1920. As of 1863, 125 million copies had been sold, making it the most widely used and influential textbook of all times. The book was filled extensively with Biblical recitations about God, his creation of the world, his character, the 10 commandments, and other Christian moral teachings like this:

    "Remember, child, remember, That God is in the sky, That he looks on all we do With an ever wakeful eye. Remember, oh! remember, That all the day and night, He sees our thoughts and actions, With an ever watchful sight. Remember, child, remember, That God is good and true; That he wishes us to be Like him in all we do. Remember that he hates A falsehood or a lie. Remember, he will punish The wicked by-and-bye. Remember, oh ! remember, That he is like a friend, And he wishes us to be Good, and happy in the end. Remember, child, remember To pray to him in heaven; And if you have done wrong, Oh! ask to be forgiven. Be sorry, in your little prayer, And whisper in his ear; Ask his forgiveness and his love, And he will surely hear: Yes, he will hear thee, and forgive Like a father, good and kind; So remember, child, remember, That you love with all your mind. The God, who liveff in heaven, And gives us each delight, Who guards us all the day, And saves us in the night." (Eclectic Second Reader, Lesson LXXXI, Things to Remember)

    Now, in light of the above poem which every child would do well to learn, I ask all of you, Christian or not: which child is more likely to become a bully, a criminal, a future mass shooter, or otherwise detriment to society?

    - the child historically taught in school that he's a special creation made in God's image, that he has Biblical moral responsibilities to God and others, and that there are terrible consequences for rejecting those moral responsibilities, or​

    - the child currently taught in school that he's just an animal originating from apes, that there are no Biblical truths or absolute moral values, and that there is no eternal consequence to fear from one's actions.​

    Really, would even an Atheist offended by religion prefer the second option with it's consequences we see today in society?

    The original colonial charters specified that their primary purpose of establishing settlements was to propogate the Christian religion. Likewise, the primary purpose for establishing schools in America was to teach everyone to be able to read and understand the Holy Bible. It was understood and expressed by our Founding Fathers that the freedoms allotted by our unprecedented Republic required a civil society adhering to Christian beliefs and values. It was thus deemed appropriate that the government encourage the Christian religion in all matters, including the teaching of the faith and its desirable moral values to the children in our public schools.

    For anyone that would read a McGuffey Reader today, two things would pop out: the open teaching of Christian beliefs AND the extensive teaching of moral values. There are a multitude of wonderful stories that set a good example for obeying laws, showing respect, being honorable, helping others, giving care, and most of all - being a loving person. Are these not the qualities that we want our children being indoctrinated with in school? Might I suggest that since these teachings have been excluded from the educational system, the overall disrespect from young people, violence of all kinds, and loss of family values has worsened significantly. There's no doubt that the public school system profoundly influences each generation of children. We've digressed from teaching them Christian morals to teaching them the opposite - under the guise of cultural diversity and religious tolerance. Both Christians and non-Christians would do well to recognize that the new secular trend is not producing desirable results. Putting Christianity's moral values back into the school setting would help society immensely. Even if one doesn't believe in God or respect the specific Christian faith, there's a valid social argument to be made for keeping Judeo-Christian beliefs and principles in the educational system.
     
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  6. Hal Pollner

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    I'll wait for' em! :)
    Hal
     
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    Oh, right, there's absolutely *nothing* that says "belief pushing" like a couple picking out granite countertops..... My heavens, one can barely bring oneself into a Lowes anymore without first having to determine the sexual orientation of the customers to make sure they're not going to wave paint chips in your general directions and sway you or something. And some of them might have tattoos and we know that's highly contagious.

    You're always good for a headshake and a good laugh, I'll give you that, Cody. :rolleyes:
     
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    Good thing you quit before the money or check they paid you with turned you into a lesbian. That saved you from becomming the T part of LGBT community.
     
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    I believe it's just as intrusive and inappropriate for schools to teach religion as for them to teach sexual orientation.
    Middle schools should have information available, in the form of books, with facts and explanations, as general as possible,
    regarding the LGBTQ community, which is constantly mentioned in the news, and very often part of tv shows, movies - everywhere.
    (Not sure how "Q" got in there; for years it was considered a vicious slur - but it is included much of the time.)

    When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad, and that is my religion.
    Abraham Lincoln, (attributed)
     
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    With the exception of Christian schools, I'm not aware of any that teach religion.
     
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    I agree. This is what home, churches, synagogues and mosques are for. If school teachers would focus on subject matter, instead of social and moral issues, perhaps our kids wouldn't be falling behind globally when it comes to academics.
     
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    It's become common, now, for public schools to teach Islam.
     
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    Why would you think that it is right to deny any person their basic civil rights, just because of their personal lifestyle of LGBT @Hal Pollner ?
    It seems like this is what the liberals are trying to do with our constitutional rights . Whether I agree with a person’s views about something, or do not agree; I still think that every person is entitled to the same rights as anyone else.
     
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    I know of no school that teaches either the LBGT "agenda" or Islam.
    What is the LBGT 'agenda" anyway? Do you know anyone who has been "converted" to gayness? Neither do I! Sitting in a classroom being told that some folks have a gene that may lead them to liking their own sex,and that they have a right to do so with out harassment from the rest of society is not "pushing an agenda". However relating that condition and declaring it a defect based on a writings by stone age sheepherders is an agenda.
    No amount of instruction is going to cause any hetero sexual man to look at anothers hairy lint covered butt crack and say,"I want that!" If you can be converted, I pity your lack of character.

    As far as teaching Islam, I was taught about Islam long before Islam was considered a "bad" religion. I was similarly introduced to the other major religions of the world. At what point does teaching awareness become proselytizing? I guess that is like pornography "I'll know it when I see it.", a very personal threshold for each individual.
     
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    Are you joking, or simply not paying attention?

    That would be at some point before the Crusades. How old are you, anyhow?
     
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