Feinstein's Next Move

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  1. Babs Hunt

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    Well Kavanaugh did say he likes his beer.
     
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    Yes but the point is Babs.. this guy is saying BK was aggressive with alcohol....
     
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    Yes I understand that and if he does like his beer...that definitely could happen.
     
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    The President has only given the FBI seven days in which to complete their investigation which brings some concern as to Whom in the FBI is doing the investigating?
    If those involved are unbiased, then anything added to the initial vetting process they already performed on Kavenaugh should be relatively simple. Even if they knock on doors to find out more about his accusers, the seven day window should be able to be met.
    Lord knows that it only took the government a couple of days to do a lifetime background check on me for my security clearance back in ‘67.

    But, if what I imagine is true, the process could take a month or more due to the “never Trumpers” who still lurk in the darker rooms of the FBI.
    In that case, the Bureau will announce to the senate that they have not completed their investigation and then there will have to be a committee day or two for debate and then a vote as to whether more time should be allotted which I fear will be granted until sometime in 2020.

    The other concern that I have is if it looks like the FBI WILL complete their investigation in a timely fashion, then yet another accuser will rise up out of the din to proclaim her need for a pound of flesh.

    Suggestion: Leave the seat empty and retire Ginsberg, then congress makes the new number of seated judges at 7.
    Decreasing the number of judges would also save the taxpayers $440,000.00 bucks a year and one less headache.
     
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    This whole thing has been orchestrated by the Democrats, and they probably have other liars waiting in the wings.
     
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    It is ironic that they very people pulling the strings on this were the folks who denounced the likes of Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey and others who had specific dates, times and places where things occurred, sometimes with witnesses. Monica Lewinsky was a subordinate with a "superior" in the workplace during working hours...but that was just a person relationship between two adults.
     
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    Yes, the hypocrisy is blatant.
     
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    Rachel Mitchell, Nominations Investigative Council, Senate Judiciary Committee, obtained by the Washington Post, but released on Twitter.

    Dr. Ford has not offered a consistent account of when the alleged assault occurred.
    • In a July 6 text to the Washington Post, she said it happened in the "mid-1980s."
    • In her July 30 letter to Senator Feinstein, she said it happened in the "early 80s."
    • In her August 11 statement to the polygrapher, she said it happened one "high school summer in early 80s." Then she crossed out the word "early" without stating a reason for the extraction.
    • The Washington Post reported, on September 16, that Dr. Ford said it happened in the "summer of 1982."
    • The September 16 Post article also reported that notes from an individual therapy session in 2013 who her describing the assault as occurring when she was in her "late teens," but she told the Senate Committee that she was 15 when the assault occurred.
    • Although she gave a copy of her 2013 therapy session to the Washington Post, she has yet to turn them over to the Senate Committee, as requested.
    While it may be common for victims to be uncertain about dates, particularly from decades ago, she has not explained how she was nevertheless able to narrow the timeframe down to a particular season and a particular year in time for her Senate testimony.

    Dr. Ford did not identify Judge Kavanaugh by name until after he was nominated by President Trump for the Supreme Court.
    • No name was given in her 2012 marriage therapy notes.
    • No name was given in her 2013 individual therapy notes.
    • Her husband claims that she identified Judge Kavanaugh by name in 2012. It may be significant to note that Judge Kavanaugh's name was widely reported in the media as a potential Supreme Court nominee of Governor Romney, were he to have won the election.
    • It took Dr. Ford 30 years to name her alleged assailant.
    When speaking to her husband, Dr. Ford changed her description of the incident to be less specific.
    • Dr. Ford testified that she told her husband about a "sexual assault" before they were married.
    • However, she told the Washington Post that she had informed her husband that she had been the victim of "physical abuse" at the beginning of their marriage.
    • She testified that both times, she was referring to the same incident.

    Dr. Ford has no memory of key details of the night that the assault reportedly occurred, details that might otherwise be used to corroborate her story.
    • She doesn't remember who invited her to the party or how she heard of it.
    • She doesn't remember how she got to the party.
    • She doesn't remember whose house the party was held in, or where the house was, with any specificity.
    She doesn't remember how she got from the party back to her house. This raises some important questions.
    • She told the Washington Post that the party took place near the Colombia Country Club. The Club is 7 miles from her childhood home, yet she testified at the Senate hearing that it was roughly a 20-minute drive from her home. That's not a huge discrepancy.
    • In her testimony, she stated that she was driven somewhere that night, but didn't specify whether it was to the party or from party, or both.
    • In her testimony, Dr. Ford was able to describe hiding in the bathroom, locking the door, and subsequently exiting the house. She also described wanting to make sure that she did not look like she had been attacked.
    • However, she had no memory of who drove her or when, nor has anyone come forward to identify themselves as the driver.
    • Given that this took place before cellphones, arranging a ride home would not have been so simple.
    • In her Senate testimony, she said that she ran out of the house after coming downstairs, and did not state that she had made a phone call from the house to arrange for a ride home, or that she had called anyone thereafter.
    • Yet she remembers small, distinct details from the party that are unrelated to the assault, such as that she had drunk exactly one beer.
    Dr. Ford's account of the alleged assault has not been corroborated by anyone who she identified as having attended the party, including her lifelong friend.
    • Dr. Ford named three people other than Judge Kavanaugh who attended the party - Mark Judge, Patrick "PJ" Smyth, and her lifelong friend, Leland Keyser. She testified to the Senate Committee that one other boy was there but that she could not remember his name. No one has come forward.
    • All three named witnesses have submitted statements to the Committee denying any memory of the party whatsoever. Most significantly, in her statement to the Committee, Ms. Keyser stated through counsel that "simply put, Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford." In a subsequent statement to the Committee, Ms. Keyser said that "the simple and unchangeable truth is that she is unable to corroborate because she has no recollection of the incident in question."
    • Moreover, Dr. Ford testified that her friend, Leland Keyser, apparently the only other girl at the party, did not follow up with Dr. Ford after the party to ask why she had left.
    Dr. Ford has not offered a consistent account of the alleged assault.
    • According to her letter to Senator Feinstein, Dr. Ford heard Judge Kavanaugh and Mark Judge talking to other partygoers downstairs, while she was hiding in the bathroom after the alleged assault. However, according to her Senate testimony, she could not hear them talking to anyone.
    • In her letter to Feinstein, she said, "I locked the door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them."
    • She testified that Judge Kavanaugh or Mark Judge turned up the music in the bedroom so that people downstairs could not hear her scream. She testified that, after the incident, she ran into the bathroom, locked the door, and heard them going downstairs. But she maintained that she could not hear their conversation with others when they got downstairs. Instead, she testified that she "assumed" a conversation had taken place.
    Her account of who was at the party has been inconsistent.
    • According to the Washington Post's account of her therapy notes, there were four boys in the bedroom at the time that she was assaulted.
    • She told the Washington Post that the notes were erroneous because there were four boys at the party, but only two in the bedroom.
    • In her letter to Feinstein, she said "me and 4 others" were present at the party.
    • In her Senate testimony, she said there were four boys in addition to Leland Keyser and herself. She couldn't remember the name of the fourth boy, and no one has come forward.
    • Dr. Ford named Patrick "PJ" Smyth as a "bystander" in her statement to the polygrapher and in her July 6 text to the Washington Post, although she testified in the Senate hearing that it was inaccurate to call him a bystander. She did not list Leland Keyser, although they were good friends. One might think that Leland Keyser's presence would have been more memorable that Smyth's.
    Dr. Ford has struggled to recall important recent events related to her allegations, and her testimony regarding recent events raise questions about her memory.
    • She struggled to remember her interactions with the Washington Post. She could not remember if she showed a full or partial set of therapy notes to the Post reporter.
    • She does not remember if she showed the Post reporter the therapist's notes or her own summary of those notes. The Post articles said that "portions" of her "therapist's notes" were "provided by Ford and reviewed by" the Post.
    • However, in her Senate testimony, she could not remember whether she summarized the notes for the reporter or showed the reporter the actual records or part of them.
    • According to her Senate testimony, she does not remember if she actually had a copy of the therapist's notes when she texted the Washington Post on July 6.
    • However, she stated in her text to the Post that she "had therapy notes talking about" the incident.
    • In her Senate testimony, she said that she had reviewed her therapy notes before contacting the Post to determine whether they mentioned anything about the alleged incident but could not remember if she had a copy of those notes or merely reviewed them in her therapist's office.
    • She has refused to provide any of her therapy notes to the Senate Committee.
    • She originally claimed that she wished for her story to remain confidential, but the person operating the tipline at the Washington Post was the first person other than her therapist or husband to whom she disclosed the identity of her alleged attacker.
    • In the Senate hearing, she testified that she had "a sense of urgency to relay the information to the Senate and the president," however she did not contact the Senate because she claimed, she "did not know how to do that." She does not explain why she knew how to contact her Congresswoman but not her Senator.
    Dr. Ford does not remember if she was audio- or video-recorded when she took the polygraph. She could also not remember whether the polygraph occurred the same day as her grandmother's funeral or the day after the funeral. According to expert polygraphers, it would have been inappropriate to polygraph someone who was grieving.

    Dr. Ford's description of the psychological impact of the event also raises questions.
    • She maintains that she suffers from anxiety, claustrophobia, and post-traumatic stress disorder.
    • The date of the hearing was delayed because the Senate Committee was informed that her symptoms prevented her from flying. However, she testified in her Senate hearing that she flies "fairly frequently" for her hobbies and work. She flies to the mid-Atlantic at least once a year to visit family. She has flown to Hawaii, French Polynesia, and Costa Rico. She also flew to Washington DC for the hearing that had been delayed because of her fear of flying.
    • Her attorneys refused the offer of a private hearing or interview.
    • She alleges that she struggled academically in college due to the psychological impact of the attempted sexual assault, but she made no similar claims about her last two years of high school.
    • It might also be significant that she used the word "contributed" when she described the psychological impact of the incident to the Washington Post. This suggests that there may have been other events that also contributed to her symptoms. When questioned on this point, she testified that she could think of "nothing as striking" as the alleged assault.
    The activities of congressional Democrats and Dr. Ford's attorneys likely affected Dr. Ford's account. Her attorneys, working pro bono, were recommended to her by Senator Feinstein, and she stated at one point that she was able to recall additional details of the incident after spending five days with her attorneys.
     
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    Love her or loathe her..Judge jeanine Pirro, has a few things to say...


     
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    The senator from Hawaii wants the FBI to investigate Judge Kavanaugh throwing ice at someone while in college. Anything to delay and obfuscate. Did any of you ever see a food fight in school?
     
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    Apart from the fact that Dr. Ford testified as if she were a ten-year-old girl with a self-esteem problem (other than the "look at me, I'm on TV" wave that she did just as the hearing was to begin), one thing strikes me. In a couple of versions of her story, after being attacked, she locked herself in the bathroom and then escaped from the house, after which she lost her memory. According to most versions of her story, there were only two girls in that house, her and her best (now life-long) friend. So after being brutally attacked, she escaped the house, leaving her best friend behind, as the only girl, with these would-be rapists. That seems odd to me, yet I haven't heard anyone question it.
     
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    According to Fox News, The Senate Committee has evidence that Dr. Ford has helped prepare other people to pass a polygraph exam, which not only lends the lie to the idea that Ford is credible because she passed a polygraph exam but, if true, then she also lied in her testimony to the Senate, because she was asked specifically if she had ever assisted anyone in preparing for a polygraph examination, and denied it.

    Also, the Washington Times
     
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    In todays news...

    An ex-boyfriend of Christine Blasey Ford has come forward to contradict her testimony that she was claustrophobic and had trouble flying as a result of her alleged assault.

    The mystery ex says he lived with Ford for a time and dated her for a period of six years until he found out that she had been unfaithful. He says he witnessed her coach a friend on passing a lie detector test during that time.

    Ford denied under oath that she had ever done anything like that.

    'Never,' she told senators as she testified last week against Supreme Court Justice nominee Brett Kavanaugh, her alleged attacker.

    Ford claimed in testimony that she had not had 'any discussions with anyone ... on how to take a polygraph' and had not 'given any tips or advice to anyone who was looking to take a polygraph test' before taking her own lie detector test in August.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-says-WASNT-afraid-flying-closed-spaces.html
     
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    She apparently perjured herself a number of times before the Senate committee. It may come back to bite her if anyone decides to prosecute her.
     
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